April Planning Commission, 4/11/24

e e e e e e e who else are we missing and we have oh thank you yeah thank you so much okay at 6:30 p.m I'm going to call the meeting to order and Renee if we could please have a roll call Mr Brewer Mr McDaniel here miss mowen here Mr jablonsky here miss bird here Mr McClure here Mr Griffith here miss kindall here Mr Parker we have a quorum starting with our consent items item number one consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of the minutes of the March 14th 2024 regular Planning Commission meeting and then item number two short form plat consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of SFP 2324 d11 consideration of a short form plat submitted by Gregory and Jennifer emert and Joseph and Terry Carter Center Line Services LLC for McGee Street Animal Hospital K9 Pet Spa for 0 .34 Acres of property located at 1134 McGee drive and then certificates of survey we have two item number three consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of c-23 24-3 consideration of a Norman rule certificate of survey submitted by Patricia L cook living trust Mark deal and Associates for cook Family Farm for approximately 33 Acres of property generally located at the southeast corner of 48th Avenue Northeast in tumsa Road and item number four consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of c-23 24-4 consideration of a Norman rule certificate of survey submitted by Doyle and Janet Reich RDM surveying for Fisher acres for 19.81% docket does any member of the audience wish to remove any item from the consent docket seeing none I would take a motion I moveed to um approve and accept all of the consent items and I'll second and a vote you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 7 to zero moving to our non-consent items items number five and six to be read together item number five consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 0-2 32446 an ordinance of the Council of city of Norman Oklahoma amending section 36-2001 of the code of the city of Norman to remove part of lot one block one of Sal your addition to Norman Cleveland County Oklahoma from the SP simple planned unit development district and place the same in the C2 General commercial District of said City and providing for the severability thereof 2505 West Main Street and item number six consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of pp-2 32416 consideration of a preliminary plat submitted by nissar ratco LLC Max bass uh land serving pllc for replat of Sal your addition for 0.543 Acres of property located at 255 West Main Street and take the staff presentation hello I am Kelly Abel with the Norman planning department one of the new planners and let me see if I can figure out how to use this here real quick okay um the applicant is requesting to rezone from a simple planned unit development to C2 um they're subdividing off approximately 0543 acres to create an out parcel for a new Brakes Plus store uh there are people here from Brakes Plus that we'll come up and talk to you um it's right there at the edge of the parking lot that you can see up there it is currently being used for a marijuana processing facility and yep it's currently a marijuana processing facility and they would like to allow the uses of C2 on the new on the new tract uh staff does forward this request to the Planning Commission for the rezoning of the simple planned unit development to C2 General commercial and ordinance number 02324 d46 to the Planning Commission for consideration and recommendation and Ashley bernaski is here with breaks plus and would like to talk to youall thank you any questions by commission for staff seeing none we' take the applicant's presentation thank you good evening I'm Ashley bernatsky from Birmingham Alabama uh work for breakes plus as the ownership side uh and our sister company Express will change um we would like to be a part of Norman and parcel off this portion of the parking lot and put a new Brakes Plus up um we do consider ourselves more of a coner service when it comes to Automotive uh our hours are 8 to 6 we're closed on Sunday uh we video surveil all of our properties afterwards we don't keep cars overnight we even have a partnership with lift so if you drop your car off we'll get you to where you need to go and get you back when your car is done free of charge um and do you guys have any questions for me thank you any questions by commission for the applicant thank you seeing none I'd move to uh audience comments if there are any for this item seeing none Planning Commission discussion and if none I would take a motion for this item I make a motion to approve this item second and a vote please you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 7 to zero moving to our next item number seven consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 02324 d47 an ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending the planned unit development established an ordinance number 0- 2122 amend the site plan and PUD narrative for part of the north half of section 26 Township 9 North range 2 West of Indian Meridian Cleveland County Oklahoma and providing for the severability thereof 3766 East Robinson Street and I would take the staff presentation hello everyone my name is Justin fish with the plan Department we have an application from Jeffrey RC to amend his PUD planned unit development ordinance number 0-21 22-10 uh the applicant is seeking this amendment to update the site plan that was approved as part of the original PUD Planning Development ordinance number 0-21 22-10 for the property located at 3766 East Robinson Street as a part of this amendment the applicant is seeking to include the addition of three commercial buildings an additional approach and to relocate the existing dumpster these changes are being requested to accommodate their growing business the locations of all the proposed changes are reflected on the updated site plan this is the existing Zoning for the subject lot it is currently a PUD surrounded by an A2 to the West an A2 to the East and residential Estates to the north is currently being used as a commercial lot this is an aerial photo of the lot this is a a photo of the front facing the lot um as of today this is a photo viewing west of the lot this is a photo viewing north of the lot and this is a photo viewing east of the lot this last photo is an aerial image provided by the most recent imagery from GIS other departments within the city have voiced their or share their concerns regarding the amendment of this site plan some of these comments are shown below uh staff presents this request for amendment to PUD Planning Development ordinance number 0-21 22-10 to Planning Commission for consideration staff is available for comments and the applic is also available for comments thank you questions by commission for staff I have a couple um I'm reading where there was one building proposed but you're saying there's three is that correct so the applicant is proposing to construct a barn they are proposing to cont construct a new shop and they're proposing to change the current zoning or the current use of their existing shop to be a grow facility okay um all right and then there's also a couple references as you'd mentioned that there are some things that are not on the site plan that were concerns um that they weren't on the site plan um it says staff is unsure what is intended regarding a structure or a pavement as this was not shown on the proposed site plan there's a couple of those things were those ever worked out or addressed prior to getting here tonight I'm not can you repeat the question so in the staff report under parking it talks about um staff is unsure what is intended regarding a structure or pavement with regard to the parking um is it's not shown on the site plan there's there were a couple of mentions that um then under the traffic engineer staff is unable to approved the site plan submitted with this request um based on some concerns and what I'm asking is were those addressed prior to getting here or is this what we're considering I believe you're referring to the building permit that was submitted to the subject lot that was trying to construct a barn on the property um that was denied because it needed to be already to go through a a site plan Amendment before it could be approved I believe is what you're talking about no I'm just I'm just reading from this from the staff report sorry I to the Wolves tonight that's okay um you you're seeing the site plan that you have is the one that we received the comments with concerns is that your question if if we if you're seeing the one that can't be approved Yeah by uh Public Works yes okay all right and then the other question I have is regarding the waving of the landscape uh um requirement what would be the reason for that to be waved it's a metal building from what I'm understanding and so our our Landscaping is tied to parking so if you're providing six spaces or 900 square fet of pavement to be used for parking purposes then you have to start providing Landscaping so if he's going to have the six or eight spots then he would have to landscape and he is requesting to not do so which as a put is something you can request thank you yes other questions for staff by commission can you maybe just address from our prior PUD that we approved on this item right passed ultimately uh was there already a provision for front yard with the dirt park it looks like the the I remember it being a Motocross facility but it looked like from the Aerials that there might be some type of kind of dirt park in the front was was that ever in the initial PUD that was already there or is that being included to be addressed and there I didn't see it on the site plan but it looked like a use that's currently happening I would have to ask the applicant what they use that for but it was not part of either but thank you or not addressed yeah any other questions for staff by commission if I'm trying to re I'm trying to remember this this application that came before us previously wasn't there some um fencing requirements that were have they been completed I I look when I was looking at that overview I I just didn't see much so I'm just could you point those out uh they've not been provided to my knowledge okay um I'm curious maybe this might be a public works question it came up when we looked at this PUD recently about the driveways um I remember specifically the neighbors across the street were concerned about Headlights coming coming in too but also lining up the driveways on here so adding the additional driveway I'd be really interested to understand maybe the safe impact from the traffic standpoint um I I see that it looks like this would violate engineering design criteria see that note in here but maybe could you add a little additional information about safety and those drives in particular sure David reand Transportation engineer um you know any applicant who wants to add an additional driveway that may not meet the engineering design criteria can submit a request for a variance I don't think everyone was ever submitted for this uh if it were it' be submitted to the department to the director of Public Works he would likely he or she would likely come and ask me my opinion on this uh it doesn't meet the requirements in the engineering design criteria for driveway spacing uh and the further that you move to the west from the approved driveway location there all of a sudden there's a vertical curve in Robinson Street that creates a sight distance problem it would be an unsafe driveway and thank you and um across the street do we know how any of those driveways line up with other neighboring driveways does anybody happen to recall where this one would be in Neighbors driveways across the way I don't remember off the top of my head now and I just mentioned that too because we've had some we've seen some plans that they were slightly offset and sometimes the challenge that that caused when there was heavy traffic coming through so thank you uh if no other questions for staff by the commission I would take the applicant presentation hello um I I don't have a presentation it's just the site plan is all we're looking to in I think what we want to do is pretty straightforward um before I forget I wanted to address Stephen your question about the fencing uh in the previous PUD the fencing was allowed to be a to maintain A2 so that requirement has been met there's no there was no additional fencing requirements um and yeah the the the driveway the driveway situation we're just we need to have a turnaround obviously um for business traffic that that's that's the biggest deal is having the having big trucks come down there's a residence on the property and then we operate the business as well so we need to have some kind of turnaround for big trucks that avoids big trucks having to go up into the residents there's kids playing around there um and I mean it's just it it can it becomes a safety hazard for whoever's staying at the residence um and the oh the the dirt Park issue uh you you brought up that's kind of exactly why we're trying to add buildings is to get all that all the stuff you see in pictures are customers vehicles that have been brought to us and we don't have room to put them anywhere so I mean that's we we don't like keeping them outside either uh I hate how it looks right now that's that's the whole idea of the uh both the buildings really the the main metal building that we originally put in permit for and we res Zone this for is is to be the main facility that's the main commercial facility it's closer to the road um um it kind of it separate it'll be separated from the driveway uh residential driveway and house most of those vehicles um the barn that's currently constructed there now it doesn't have a foundation I constructed that without obtaining a permit first because I was under the impression it was a temporary uh canopy structure the ordinance it's kind of gray on on what what that is um so I had I put that up to to get some stuff inside uh for you know it's hail it's springtime so it's going to be hailing and I've got a lot of really high dollar vehicles that are taken out there so I had to get something up um that's what the the barn is for um so yeah I mean what we're trying to do is is clean up that property and fix that dirt parking that that was never the plan to have that many vehicles we've been in business three years we've we've done really good um as far as our customer service a lot of people you know bring their stuff to us because we treat them right um and so that's why there's so many vehicles there uh questions by commission for the applicant I have one um but refresh my memory um I wasn't on Council when this first came up a few years ago so precisely what do you do on this property um it's a used Power Sports dealership uh officially it's we dirt bikes jet skis um Parts Sals service all of it just like a dealership for use power sports and we recently got our uh license for uh Automotive used cars as well so things that are driven on the road so that we can operate all that we could you know we do a couple cars on the side to it's you know with with the economy recently the dirt bikes and jet skis haven't been as popular so cars so it's it's mostly service and some sales no the the idea is sales um really sales is supposed to be the the main thing come there and and buy vehicles um that we've bought and repaired or whatever um but you know we we've got a lot of repeat customers we haven't we haven't put a bit of advertising into anything servicewise uh everything we have there is because of Word of Mouth um we we we do things better than we actually fix a lot of dealerships mess ups thank you can you tell me about how many cars you're servicing on site at any given point uh cars we do not service at all we'll say Vehicles Motor Sports any Power Sports we'll say individual units however you quantify those um like three or four um yeah like actively servicing then we have others a lot of times waiting that they've already been completed and I give people two weeks before I really start throwing a fit um about getting picked up and then we're kind of backed out uh as far as getting stuff done so a lot of people will drop off their stuff most of the stuff you see on there is stuff waiting to be pulled in or is already completed um are you asking as far as like everything yeah I mean trying to get a full idea of quantity of units that we're talking about being stored or that are on site and then separate from people coming in their vehicle to pick up and drop off but the remaining units that somehow are on the property at again yeah um I mean that picture that must I think that probably is more of a busy season I don't know how I didn't catch the date that that area was shot but that seems that's pretty accurate for you know what's what would be average I guess which I would say I don't know 10 to 20 you when I first started the business I bought a bunch of jet skis because I didn't know you know I was just going to flip them um I didn't know how busy I was going to be so I'm still getting rid of a lot of those that I've you know I bought them so that I wouldn't run out of work to do and I never even got finished with all them so um so you the parking that's happening in the front can you kind of describe that compared to the site plan that we saw PR previously you're saying a lot of people are parking on there but we didn't have that parking that designated as parking in the prior site plan in the in the front yeah the the dirt lot that we were kind of seeing on there I don't think that's parking um I just moved a bunch of dirt with my Bobcat to kind of level out the land um maybe if we could have um someone from the staff maybe if you could help turn the pages back to see that aerial so we can kind of see for reference and you can help direct me that would be helpful for me okay so this is uh looking at the bottom of this picture would be our main road front edge so this piece in the front what is this piece that's kind of circled by this dirt driveway and then the paav driveway okay so not that it matters but that's a chip sealed driveway not paved but the dirt actually that is what we want to move all the commercial activity to just so you know are you talking about the vehicles parked on there or just the dirt closer to the frontage road just what what are you using this site for right now that particular patch and just interested what you're doing with you see where the poles are stuck on the ground there yes that's the barn I just erected uh to First storage to get some of these vehicles out of the way um inside and you know from the weather and all that and then that is where the new proposed main 30 x70 metal shop is also supposed to go on the bottom side of the page closer to the front between the between the barn and the front edge of the road okay and what about the remaining kind of area what what is the rest of that area being used for currently it's I'm planting grass it's supposed to be pretty okay good to look at actually my wife's not happy about it either for she hates it so it's it's going to be pretty green soon and then I I see that also from your site plan you're adding a grow operation also to the building what is the yeah well I've built the so that building has two stories in it and uh I built the top story into a grow when the stuff was first legalized and I've just let I've just started using it as store I stopped doing it because I didn't think it would be a good business to get into but um I've recently been given a license to do so from someone getting out of the business and I have an uncle who is a good grower so I'm just going to run a little grow up upstairs of that in that shop of kind of monopolized the time here do any other Commissioners have questions for the applicant make sure I'm not stepping on someone else how much traffic do you currently have like on a on a daily basis what's the average one to two customers huh one to two customers a day okay and how expect the grow business to it's it's grow only there's no dispensary so there shouldn't be any customers coming be shipping or yeah we would be delivering it to the dispensary or whoever would be buying it okay and so is there an additional vehicle to do the delivery no I have I have plenty already I think I'll use probably one our old band from the shop is I might turn that into no there will be no more vehicles I have a question yeah so I'm I'm looking at the the staff report at the very bottom um and it says there are several problems you know that need to be addressed have you tried to work with the city to address these yes I think the only problem we really have remaining is the driveway situation um and correct me if I'm wrong is there a way we can I can see those notes so under the utilities um the first one says driving service needs to meet City requirements um to be able to handle sanitation trucks um and there needs to be some kind of proposed width and and widths and radi um and also you need to include you know yes okay the the widths the radius everything that's all been added to the site plan um or and the narrative too there's like a little you know addition in the narrative to footnotes basically um so yeah that's all those comments have been addressed I know the the only outstanding issue is that you know the the engineering design standard says that you can only have one driveway every 220 foot if it's you know 40 m hour and 330 foot if it'ss 50 mes hour it's a 50 mph Zone the property itself is 220 ft and so it's just a they they they won't they I guess they won't give me their blessing I originally wanted to use that existing dirt driveway um as the turnaround but um to try to appease them I'm willing to spend extra money to run the run the turnaround to the East and utilize the existing shared driveway um that's there the the chip sealed one in the photo so in this picture the aerial the that right right that right dirt Drive goes away we add the originally approved uh Bryant uh cross the driveway directly across from Bryant and that's the main but it it's able to go left and and turn into the shared driveway so that big trucks coming can turn around and that that actually that allows the radius for sanitation um and also that solves my problem as far as I don't want commercial traffic going back in front of that house because me my kid's out there playing all the time regardless of who's living there you don't want commercial traffic having to drive right in front of your door so this dirt driveway this one wasn't the one on your site plan you were looking at putting the additional driveway on the other side correct correct well I'm the the driveway that's already there on the left it's kind of cut off in this picture um to the left if you're looking at it that is per the original PUD That was supposed to go away and be added directly across Bryant so it's like an intersection with Bryant Street so it' be one drive way in the center which I've just haven't had the funds to do it but that's as you can see it's kind of it's cut out and ready to be put in I've had a you've got to I've got to do like some special stuff for the crossing of the lake water pump thing that's there but um anyhow that was the originally approved driveway and the chip seal driveway that's cut off on the left is supposed to be moved or supposed to be removed but a new driveway added to the adjacent property because that's a shared driveway so and I saw that on there but what I I guess where does this dirt driveway come in so this was not on it's not on either site plan correct correct that's not supposed to be there it was never supposed to be there people are it's we started cut we started using that when we first moved in and it's just I mean the trash Cas guy uses it everybody all the deliveries they come in and they drive out through there and if it's muddy it they it's just real bad but that's why I need to have a turnaround like to say that we just have a single driveway going to the shop and then these huge trucks have a you know 70 by 20 foot lot to turn around in is just it's not practical can I ask you a quick question yes you are moving everything toward Robinson right closer to Robinson correct um I would really like to see some sort of landscape I know you're asking to wave that but the closer you move to the road um I think if landscape is green infrastructure um and I think it's important that it still be there um especially as you move closer to the road so you say I'm asking what is what exactly are you asking for is like a like a drawing or a couple of trees trees no I closer to the to to put it in front of the building as I've been saving some pine trees to put up there I mow the L's lawn next to me that the Shar driveway is in and I've intentionally been leaving some baby Pines that I plan to move over there so absolutely like the idea is this this is supposed to have of kind of doctor's office type situation like you know it's like it's not supposed to be super commercial there's not going to be a billboard it's just going to be a professional office for vehicles so it's also like a dealership but yeah so landscape would be great as an addition to that okay I can slap some on the site plan or I'll even come up with another drawing to show that would be very much appreciated thank you and if you're ad meable why why then did your requests come to the Landscaping requirement it sounds like you're willing to do the Landscaping but then it seems like that's in conflict with asking for the Landscaping requirement to yeah I think there might have been a miscommunication on that I don't remember deliberately asking for that I think it was just I guess it was assumed on some level or there's some type of miscommunication I I have no problem providing a map of where I'm going to put some trees and I have a CAD program I can even show what it look like yeah Nathan manwal utilities engineer um so we on the south side of Robinson the lines that are coming from Lake Thunderbird that are feeding our water plant are there so we have large easements there Us in CMC so Landscaping there will be a challenge okay yeah thank you for that clarification yeah um any other questions for applicant immediately um I'm actually going to call a five minute recess to talk with staff um we'll resume in five minutes thank you e e e e e e e e e thank you I'm going to call the meeting back into order um some questions have Arisen regarding this project and this might be a question for our applicant too um so one thing that would be helpful is if we could see the full narrative and seeing the prior site plan and the new site plan for us at Planning Commission I have some concerns about Public Works not endorsing this project I think there's some questions about Landscaping I guess the question question I would have for you is if you were aware that you could request a postponement to make changes to this site plan based on that before we voted on it and if so if that would be something that you would want to do or would you like us to be considering this item and continue forward with the vote as is right now that's a tough question um because I really want to get that building up and I really want to get this stuff inside uh that you know obviously there's there's I've actually I had to put a deposit on the building so that I could provide the blueprint so that I could submit the permit so I kind of have a deadline um or I lose a lot of money so um what what what kind of time delay does a postponement uh add would be my question so you would make a request for a postponement to whatever Planning Commission meeting I don't know if there's a certain time frame for your application that be more of a question for staff but we have other projects in here currently that have requested to postponement to a date certain of the May 9th meeting for example since Planning Commission meets monthly there's a monthly opportunity to come before Planning Commission to make any changes to gain approval by public works for the project to maybe address some of the concerns by commission that you've heard tonight but that is your choice to choose to make a postponement or to ask us to vote I just wanted to bring that to your attention as an option yeah I I appreciate that um and in a in a perfect world I would definitely do that um but also given the current situation um as far as what I've already had to put down to on that building I can't afford another month so I'm gonna ask to vote and also want to I don't we've I've been told that the public works is just not going to do anything about it they're they don't want to they're not going to accept any other driveway no matter what so that's fine um I know that we're going to have to go into the council vote but um I mean what I'm trying to do here is clean up the property so I hope I hope you guys understand that um before we move to audience comments are there any other questions by commission so I'm looking at at this is it this is your plan yes okay so is this going to create a loop is this just replacing that or are you going to have a loop like that there's so many op the red is what's going in okay um the gray is what was already approved okay so can I ask question yeah uh no it's not it's completed up into the Bryant concrete approach so when I look at that that photo that we just looked at previously Drive coming correct that's correct so so drive is not is not built correct I just haven't done it yet okay I mean that's that drive was both those drives were already in existence prior to the previous PUD that those were not added in after the fact so if you're asking us to make changes to the P so you can do additional improvements shouldn't we expect you to do actually improvements of the original PUD before I'm sorry can you explain that againin c correct put in the road in that that has not happened but other improvements are are being are being completed they're being requested that's the that's what that's it's I'm trying to amend what I want to complete okay so I'm I'll just simply say going to V cannot support any other uh questions for the applicant by commission okay seeing none thank you very much we'll move to audience comments and I do have some cards here from uh I'm going to call Barry salus up first um when you come up please say your name and your address and then again you will get three minutes to speak if you would like a 30- second wording before the time is up let me know otherwise at the end of that time I'll thank you for your comments my name is Barry salus I live on Bryant circle so directly north of the the property we're talking about I was not prepared to really give a speech I really wanted to learn more and I appreciate this you allowed me to learn more about what what was going going on over there uh I do just on the top of my mind I think it's unsafe that intersection just from Brian itself if you're going east on Robinson multiple occasions if I'm driving home going east there's a hill that you go down and Brian circles there I always worry about what's behind me the cars doing 50 miles per hour so I can imagine if there's large vehicles coming out of that property making a left turn out of there for example it creat a high risk for for danger so again um I I wasn't aware of what was going on in totality I knew he did small uh motor crafts I guess I remember I spoke to him years ago which you know sound pretty good at the time but now it's grown and it kind of look like a junk junkyard to me looking at the picture here but I understand what you're trying to do is trying to cover it up and such but my question to you would be I don't know if if you took a a Tim stamp today and built your barn would you be able to get everything in that Barn it just doesn't look like that would be the case today so I'm not sure if that would cover really my my uh opinion of this 80% but but that's all I have again I didn't come to prepare to talk I didn't know I was supposed to I just came to kind of learn what's going on and then see how to vote thank you all right we appreciate you okay and then I've got uh Mike four same thing if you'll just come up and say your name and your full address in three minutes and let me know if you'd like a heads up before yes my name is Mike for I live at 3735 East Robinson and I have went around and got wrote a petition I've got 11 signatures on it 10 of them are adjoining his property or within the 350 foot of his range everyone that I had talked to signed the petition they are fully against any changes that he has seeking he has also went ahead and built a building there he just admitted while ago that he did without a permit my resolution is is him have to tear the building down as a penalty for building the building we oppose any changes to any thing that he wants to do as of right now it looks like a dump over there looks like a junkyard all the neighbors have complained I've talked to none wanted in the area they don't know how the city council approved him a commercial business license and I have pictures of the property that this does not do justice to and I took them yesterday if y'all would like to see them thank you and just to confirm we are in receipt of that uh guess it's a protest letter and they didn't have a chance to get the radius map we usually do see a radius and they kind of tell us what percentage of Neighbors in ad joining kind of have protested um that would be included in for city council um also your photos if you send them in in advance the planning department can help you with that and then those can also be reviewed in advance too just to know at any future steps for city council and just as a general education point that you can always send those we actually read through everything that gets sent to us in advance too so thank you very much any other audience comments for this item thank you uh seeing none I'd move to Planning Commission discussion uh I just wanted to I I did not go back and watch our meeting minutes from when this came up before but I did recall there being about three or four Motorsports that units however we want to call that that would be worked on on the site um we talked a lot about the dealership use and had some concerns for that particular area um quantities of use really came up though um maybe can kind of correct me and it's a public record I invite anybody to go check and see what we said last time but that was something that came up and um I am happy for people having businesses that are escalating located here in Norman but um I I have concerns of the escalation compared to what we were looking at before what was in there what's actually happening uh I have some concerns about the road the barn and other things that have happened that were never on the Pud to begin with they've kind of just been done um I have concerns that this isn't maybe the best most neighborly Trend that there whatever would get approved maybe more would be done so I you know and I appreciate the honesty of that this would probably hold about 80% of those cars but we already know that that wouldn't hold the cars I don't think that the shielding and the impact to the neighbors have really been adequately addressed for this particular neighborhood um so I have some heavy concerns about this project and how it's even transpired since we saw it last at Planning Commission and where we are to today and I have concerns about allowing further increase to that um I think there could be some other site plans that could make a single drive work and having circular options on site I could refer to commissioner Parker if he would have any comments as to that I would be very interested to hear because I think there could be plenty of ways to make that safe I do agree multiple driveways are concerning we talk about that a lot I don't know that this property needs two driveways to make make it safer for the residents and still provide turnarounds on there um yeah I just have a lot of concerns for this so and commissioner Parker if you want to add anything from an engineering perspective I would love to hear it um without seeing dimensions and turning radiuses on on trucks um you said it was 220 ft wide I would think that you could take a single drive in and still have time or room to be able to turn around in there with proper design of course I think it could be done any other Planning Commission discussion if there's none I would take a motion move to approve to be clear my move to approve is so that we have a not confusing vote yes thank you I'll second that and a vote May you may vote everyone has voted and the motion um failed uh seven with one abstention thank you uh moving to our next items I'm going to read items three and four together no I'm so sorry item number eight and n and 10 together yes 8 nine and 10 thank you consideration item 8 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 0- 2 32449 an ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending section 36-2001 of the code of the city of Norman so as to remove part of the Southwest quarter south of the section 26 Township 9 North range 3 West of the Indian Meridian to Norman Cleveland County Oklahoma from the Pud planned unit development district and the C2 General commercial district and place the same in Spud simple planned unit development District of s City and providing for the separability thereof 418 North inter state drive item number nine consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 0-23 24-50 in ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma closing a portion of the 17t wide utility easement located in lot two block one an amended plat of stedham Edition number one a planned unit development to Norman Cleveland County Oklahoma and providing for the severability thereof consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of pp-2 32418 consideration of a preliminary plat submitted by or cloma realy Norman LLC grubs Consulting LLC for sooner Kia Norman a simple planned unit development for 4.77 Acres of property located at 418 North Interstate Drive and I'll take the staff presentation hello Laura hogot um so I won't read everything up here but um soon Kia would like to uh build a new showroom and kind of redesign their site so they have uh some lots that have different zoning so they need to turn everything into a spud so as you can see there's kind of split zoning um the Pud was from 95 1995 um so it wasn't written in the traditional or the format that we use now they just uh applied some conditions to it and the applicant did choose to keep the conditions in their new PUD and the other sections are Zone C2 uh sunaria is currently there and they're surrounded uh to the west and the South with residential and then commercial across 35 into the north here's an areial of the property as it is today this is where the rideway Clos Ure would be so just kind of a different aial perspective here's the existing building as it is right now and looking uh across 35 sorry okay uh here's a copy of the preliminary plot and then the site development plan um the hatched area that would be used for parking is shown on the southwest side and the applicant is here and they don't have slides but they're available for questions and then staff is available as well and we forward this request for planning commission's consideration thank you any questions by commission for staff I have a couple questions my first is um what's that easement doing is it used by the city at all um as far as we know there's nothing in it and there have been no OB objections to uh closing and and I might ask this for the applicant also but why not just make everything C2 they wanted to keep the conditions that were a part of the previous approval that kind of protected the residential to the west of them there are protections with like um some landscaping and providing some parking and then um showing just kind of more specifically how the site would be used so that it would have less of an impact so um one more question related to that if it were C2 so right now in the narrative it says um they want like a 5 foot build line on the North and South uh from the property line if it were C2 what would that be that's real tight I mean 5 feet is real close and it's bumping right up against Residential nice here doesn't have large setbacks um I think when it's up against Residential just on the rear that they would have 20 but the S size would be zero I think typically in C2 their front set back is 10t should have brought my book up here sorry thanks any other questions by commission for staff seeing none we take the applicants presentation knowing you don't actually have slides but we're happy to hear you speak Mark grubs 1800 South Sarah Road on behalf of the applicant so um the purpose of uh the Spud obviously there's so they're incorporating the north lot that's currently undeveloped into the already developed land they're removing the building and redeveloping it with a new building cleaning side up making it look a lot better obviously but there's there's two different zonings C2 and the Spud uh or the Pud which was um it was back in that time there wasn't a Splat option I believe so um because of that and because we're uh developing it all as one lot we have to combine it into a single lot which is the purpose of the preliminary plat and the platting um the easement closure obviously because the building is going to go over it and no there is nothing in the easement and there's been no objections and then um the the reason instead of going C2 we obvious ly um using the Spud because it's under 5 Acres but essentially what we did was just copy the contents of the old PUD into the Spud into the new format with all the same protections that it had historically for the residential to the West keep the landscape buffer to um add the requirement for the eight proof s the 8 foot sight proof fence along the west um to keep those barriers in place and also the Spud instead of doing C2 it you know specifically only allows that use for the Automotive Sales and the accompanying um services that go with that but uh I'd be happy to answer any additional questions thank you any questions by commission for the applicant just one the new building is it going to be south of the old building is that what that large open sare is yeah so if you're looking at the site plan that's uh currently up there the gray shade underneath the north portion of that building is the existing building and then that building extends All the Way South um to almost that South property line on the East half there so yes it it does extend South um it it increases the size of that building quite a bit thank yes so I I have a follow-up question so in this uh interesting uh multi-sided piece um that's the dark gray up here so what kind of buffers are there between uh the Spud and the residential well there's um so to clarify the dark gray is a no um no Automotive Sales can happen in that only parking from the apartments and the employees can park in there uh there is a a 5-ft landscape buffer with trees that exist within that and that was what was in the original UD I'm I'm just curious do you know do you know how well it works for blocking light and sound in the activity I don't um we did put in there that you know the lights would obviously meet city code with the um with respect to when they AB but um residential they have certain requirements to be shaded away from shielded away and pointed away from that but I couldn't honestly answer that question of how well it works currently do you anticipate any change because exists today yeah we don't anticipate changing that area right so I would assume that it the way it works today is not bugging them or they would be here asking me to can I ask you a question of the city staff when these protest letters go out do they go to Residents or owners own it's Property Owners it is the it's County records mailing address cor that's something I do professionally so well I feel well I'll wait for I I'll wait for a commission discussion sorry okay any other questions for applicant okay uh seeing none I would see if there's any audience comments and seeing none move to Planning Commission discussion I feel I think everyone knows what I'm going to say I see a a huge um I see a future heat problem with this amount of asphalt and concrete I don't know what you can do right if you go to a car dealership it's got to be clear um you know I don't I don't go to a car dealership to look at trees that's fair um but you know I do Wonder are there some places that you could put trees in this back parking lot for employees you know if you had larger trees there they would knock out summer heat quite a bit um it's just something that you know if I say it now and I know we have a lot of professionals who come to these meetings you know every month or every couple months and when they work with their clients they'll say oh there's that guy who keeps asking about trees that are going to you know stop a heat problem in 40 years so at least at least on that back employee parking lot there there might be if you're not going to change it you're not changing it and I respect that but I'm just thinking about future development that people should try and work these things in to so when I made the statement that we weren't change um I'm talking about the West line um there are if um let's there is a let's see can I go to the aerial to be fair I've never stood up there and everybody seems to have to figure out how to click so oh my thank you Laura is it in there so there's a l turn to page 72 if you're back sorry we do add additional trees to meet the uh the current landscape code requirements um there is some additional trees being parked that be being planted back there in that West lot just not there's existing trees along the west line we don't plan to disturb that in other words but there are additional trees being planted to meet existing code where it doesn't meet code today that's nice to hear thank you I could throw a friendly suggestion that you could also look at a container plant container plants can go on top of pavement and could provide some vegetation have to be pretty large to give any kind of shade but can be a meat in the middle any other Planning Commission discussion items for this if there's none I would take a motion make a motion to approve second and a vote please you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 8 to zero thank you moving to item number 11 uh consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 02324 d51 and ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending sections 36-101 definitions 36508 non-conforming uses and 36548 off street parking requirements all in chapter 36 zoning of the code of the city of Norman to remove parking requirements for accessory dwelling units were allowed to clarify applicability of Provisions to garage apartments non-conformity and to implement other language changes as are consistent therein and providing for the separability thereof staff presentation hello I'm sorry okay uh so just a little background on why we are here with another Adu update for you guys uh in December of last year we went to the council business and community fairs committee um to talk about adus what they wanted to see we did not get any consensus at that time regarding parking for accessory dwelling units um it was important to the community to go ahead and get the Adu allowance out there and we knew we would have to come back and maybe add something for parking or you know deal with things that might arise as we go forward since that time we've had a little more Direction um so as you will see we are not requiring parking for adus that are 650 Square ft or less um if they want to go over 650 Square fet for the accessory dwelling unit they can go to board of adjustment and then they would have to if they did not want to supply the parking they'd have to ask for a variance for that as well am I explaining this well am I making sense okay and then uh in the districts where they're um they don't have the 650 foot requirement they would have to provide the parking because those districts typically have uh more space than the R1 lots that are in the cor area or other parts of town I think that's that's pretty much our summary of that you have any questions for me uh could you just clarify when adus are more than 650 square feet and just give that little clarification since it's a little bit new for us yes so uh the 650 foot requirement is in the R1 and r1a which is single family detached or single family attached um in A1 A2 and re they could have a guest house which was already an allowance in the code so we didn't want to limit something that they were already allowed to have the difference is that now those may be rented out or least um and they can have a full kitchen thanks for clarifying that I was wondering about that any other questions by for staff thank you uh since our city was the applicant is there any audience comments seeing none any Planning Commission discussion and if there's none I would take a motion move to approve second and a vote please you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 8 to zero thank you moving to item number 12 and 13 uh to read together item 12 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 0-23 24-35 an ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending section 36201 of the code of the city of Norman so as to remove that part of the East half of the section 14 Township 9 North range 3 West of the Indian Meridian to Norman Cleveland County Oklahoma from the Pud planned unit development district and place the same in PUD planned unit development district and providing for the severability of thereof generally located east of I35 between Corporate Center Drive and Rock Creek Road and item number 13 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of pp-2 32412 consideration of a plary plat submitted by University North Park LLC for University North Park Entertainment District to planned unit development for approximately 90 Acres of property generally located on the east side of I35 between Corporate Center Drive in Rock Creek Road the applicant in the packet it says postponement that the applicant has requested postponement in the past sometimes this has been continuance basically means the same thing so whichever way we care to think of that uh to the May 9th 2024 Planning Commission meeting uh and I think that's it we don't vote on these correct yes you do oh I'm sorry I would take a motion to uh vote to approve that postponement I make a motion to approve the postponement request moving it to the May 9th 2024 Planning Commission meeting I second that and a vote please uh discussion real quick uh how many times have we [Music] postpones I would venture three times however I would with this might be a better legal question uh but part of this piece is also in conjunction with other pieces with the Tiff so they are intentionally designed to move together and there could be parts of this project that are also being held up at this point because of needing steps done at other points outside of Planning Commission so I I'm not positive about that but I believe that that could be part of the purpose of the postponement um I believe we have a representative for the applicant here if we'd like to call them up to ask about clarification of postponement and continuance you came all the way we're going to make you earn some dollars today thank you just in case the one time we called you up I don't need to say much because you nailed it commissioner but Gunner Joyce on behalf of the applicant and that is exactly right so the statutory Tiff Review Committee was just formed I think last Friday for this project at their first meeting and I think they scheduled it I apologize I don't know the next date but basically there's a project plan that that body will review and make a recommendation and then that will also come in front of you on the same night and then we will have preliminary plat uh the Pud and the project plan all together for presentation thanks thank you any other questions as to the postponement that's a good question thank you okay uh we have a motion and and a second on the floor if we are ready to move to a vote I'd like to do that you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 8 to zero I'm moving to the next items 145 and 16 item number 14 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of resolution number r- 2324 d126 a resolution of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending the Norman 2025 land use Transportation plan so as to remove part of the Southwest quarter of section 11 Township 9 North range 3 West of the Indian Meridian Cleveland County Oklahoma from the office designation and place the same in the commercial designation east of 36th Avenue Northwest north of West auma Road and West of I35 item number 15 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of ordinance number 0-23 24-42 an ordinance of the Council of the city of Norman Oklahoma amending section 36-2 1 of the code of the city of Norman so as to remove part of the Southwest quarter of section 11 Township 9 North range 3 West of the Indian Meridian to Norman Cleveland County Oklahoma from the Pud planned unit development district and place the same in the Pud planed unit development district and providing for the separability thereof east of 36 Avenue Northwest north of West OFA Road and West of I35 item number 16 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of pp-2 32415 consideration of a preliminary plat submitted by by Carol Farm LLC SMC Consulting Engineers PC for Carol Farm Edition a planned unit development for property generally located east of 36 Avenue Northwest north of West kza Road and West of I35 all three of these items the applicant has requested postponement to the May 9th 2024 Planning Commission meeting uh is there a motion or a discussion of these items I'm going to ask the same question because this has been postponed before also and it would be nice to know why why things keep getting is your question directed to staff or the represent of the applicant look it looks like we've got a person who's ready to answer so I'll it's directed to that guy twice in one night making records happy to do it happy to do it Gunner Joyce Reger Law Group on behalf of the applicant this one uh is an applicant requested postponement uh internally we're working on some designs of the layout uh with some of the lot lines basically and want to make sure that um we are internally all happy with it before we come to you uh trying to avoid some of the you know in night discussions uh during the meeting so that that's the goal is postponing are they going to be happy though I mean this is like the third time at least that it's been on the agenda certainly my hope so but uh can't can't make that commitment to you do you know how many times this item was postponed previously just for clarification I don't I think this is the second that'd be my guess Jane thinks it might be the second too but we can always go back and confirm as well yeah thank you any other questions for the applicant on the postponement request okay great um all right moving on I would take a motion again May 9th 2024 would be the next meeting being requested moveed to postpone to the May 9th meeting and a second second and a vote please you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 8 to zero thank you moving to item number 17 consideration of approval acceptance rejection Amendment Andor postponement of resolution number pcr-2 3241 a resolution of the Planning Commission of the city of Norman Oklahoma establishing certain policies and procedures relating to the time set for regular meetings of the Norman Planning Commission providing an effective date and providing a duration for the resolution um do we have a staff presentation from our director um good evening no technically we do not have a presentation but I am happy to discuss this with you I think you saw in the email that I sent to you or I attached it to the email that went out with the link that uh we do have several if not all maybe s spsc is at 6 o'clock but I think all of our other boards and commission uh meetings have been moved to 5:30 is there any other discussion by Commission on this item or questions for staff either it sounds like we have precedent for moving to 5:30 we have other commissions that have done the same um like to thank commissioner jablonsky for bringing this up in a meeting getting this as an agenda item I think sometimes it's easy to have discussions and was glad to see something brought forward and thank you to staff for so quickly getting it on the agenda discuss and answer questions how we would change that um my only other concern was of city council and their oversight committee and their time frames I do think it is of value even though it's not required for public meetings act to have these on YouTube for broadcast I actually listen to some of these committee meetings that are recorded later so the only downside I could see is for oversight committee would have to probably stop their recording and the tail end that that would not be available as easily for public if um they overlap with us um which generally I did go back and look on the YouTube they are about an hour long generally um and want to make sure our staff has time to move that over and give consideration to everybody that was part of I know commissioner Kindle she made up a lot of good comments about that about being more considerate to her staff but being considerate for that component being considerate to our public as a whole for access to these meetings and to City councilors to be able to complete their meeting within that time period so I'm in favor of 5:30 as long as oversight pretty consistently ends at 5: and we give time for everybody to do their stuff you know um and just kind of continue to be mindful of that if there is overlaps that prevent Public Access for those meetings yeah and I wasn't at the last meeting but I watched it and I do believe you can just shake your head but I think you said as long as you have 30 minutes to switch even if we cut it a little close but still okay so that would give plenty of time I believe he said something like 515 minutes but we want to give buffer and not ask anybody to you know have to work crazy hours too so I just want to make sure that this is being considerate of all staff members I did hear um some comments there near the close about maybe not being able to see kids at the end of the day or whatnot um if they don't have a break in between so I just want to make sure that in our effort to keep the day moving and ending it earlier that that isn't having a negative impact when we're trying to have a positive impact can you just address how you've addressed this with staff if you asked them or or how that came up I saw your email ma but clarification of what went behind the scenes for that so I visited with staff and uh I'm smiling because staff is extremely excited about the idea of okay 5:30 and I will say I think I think what you're referring to is um some individuals that might leave at 5: and then or they do leave at 5: and then they come back to the 6:30 meeting and and so if they start at 5:30 that might cut them a little close of something that they might need to do at 510 or something like that but 's absolutely the opportunity for someone to leave at 4:30 and allowing them the time to take care of something that they might need to take care of to make it back in time for the 5:30 meeting good it's just I just wanted to make sure our well-intentioned is actually Landing the way intended oh yeah Abol perfect and now the director is on public record saying that she was willing to do that too so that's also for staff's benefit see look at all their smiles back there okay is there any other discussion on this item if not I would take a motion approve oh yeah I'm sorry before we do our vote just to clarify on when that would change uh G she said that would begin in June so that gives a little bit more time so may will still be at 6:30 June will be at 5:30 we'll set our alarms it's June 13 June 13th thank you okay and now I think we can do a vote thanks for that clarification you may vote everyone has voted and the motion carried 8 zero moving to miscellaneous discussion does staff have any information for commission I don't have anything at this time do Commissioners have any comments to make I um we have the AIM questions we have a new month you can always visit and do that I went to one of the aim listening sessions today um one comment that I made that I I've made previously but I have been inspired that sometimes when we make comments and miscellaneous discussion things can happen quickly on that um I would love to see the ad hoc committee for Center City forign based code meet a regular interval so to put that of record on there um we had two projects on commande that we had puds for Center City form based code puds a lot of us discuss whether that should be but we also I know I specifically dug in as to why it was zoned that way to begin with we I've heard the people that have dedicated huge amounts of time working on this that this was intended to be a living code but there is an ad hoc committee but it is called irregularly so an average property owner has to request or hope that city council or or that um the staff would call an ad haot committee together for it um if there was a regular interval that citizens would be able to go and request those changes that they knew when to expect I don't know that that really would need to be monthly maybe a consideration for an annual or quarterly depending on as needs may arise I think that would be one of the ways that our code does not get so antiquated and require so many puds to update and fix and make changes on because I think in some of the cases we could have made some mapping changes on some of those commande ones that may have been more appropriate for the blocks that we looked at because we talked a lot about the suitability of those particular blocks as being unique and so maybe they needed to be updated for that and still fit within the code on there so that would be a comment that I had and I made that comment in the aim group also as something to think of as we're making new zoning codes that that might be a regular process to allow codes to be updated more regularly with input and not get 70 years down the road with small changes so that was my only miscellaneous comment thank you and if there's nothing else to come before the commission I'll declare the meeting adjourned absolutely

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