City Council Special Session, 2/6/24

good evening and welcome to the city council special session meeting of February 5th 2024 first item on the agenda there are six items on the agenda first item is consideration of ordinance 02324 34 upon first reading by title an ordinance closing 66t of 24th Avenue Southeast in the statutory right away this item is more of a housekeeping item to allow it to move forward for second and final readings on the 13th with its accompanying items but I need a motion to adopt or reject the ordinance on first reading by title is it a good time to ask a question about it or sure uh from what I understand understand the it's being rerouted yes yeah so that's really only clarification that's the only clarification it was 33 it's 33 ft on either side of the paint line basically that's that's the right away and it's shifting somehow to and still will go out it'll go out to Highway 77 to the best of my knowledge yes one question I yes sir uh I'll actually be recusing from this item when it comes to council for the second vote so I just want to disclose a conflict okay right now thank you sir thank you uh a motion I need a motion I got a motion I need a second got a second um by show a hands all those in favor raise your right hand please all those opposed same sign passes thank you all right item number two this is easier update from RDG planning and design on the aim Norman project hello Amy all right well uh I think I heard that so thanks everybody for letting us join today we're excited to provide an update and I see Mary Elizabeth and um sioban there to also provide any um fill in any gaps or anything that we did I I'm going to cover a few kind of quick slides and then hopefully leave plenty of time for um just any Q&A questions that all of you might have we just wanted to take a moment kind of in this process and I think from the very beginning we had said we would try to provide some regular updates um to all of you and so this is one of those um uh just kind of keeping making sure that you're kind of staying in the loop of of what's been happening over the last couple of months um and so I'm going to run through a few quick slides and then we will uh be happy to answer any questions you might have at that point um so just as a little bit of a reminder of where we're kind of at here in the process today um I just uh um I just want to we just want to make note of a few things here of of kind of we we are right here kind of in this transition Point um between the initial input and kind of understanding where we need to be and going into um the development of the land use plan the Committees have all had a chance the subcommittees as of today now have all had a chance to meet and we've had had a couple of really good very productive I think committee meetings over the last couple months just real quick I think most of you are getting these updates on a regular basis but I think it's sometimes kind of nice to see it one kind of screenshot here um as of today so we tried to make this uh as current as possible as of today we've had over 8,000 visits to the website um on our monthly polling questions we've had over 1,300 responses in total and we're at about we're over 200 00 at the ones that were posted here just uh a couple weeks ago related to Transportation uh over the last seven several months we've had 17 different popup events and received about 180 comment cards I would note on the comment card piece there too is that a lot of people one of the things that we do at these events is we have like these little business cards with the QR code that sends folks to the website where they can take take the survey so a lot of times people people aren't necessarily um filling out the comment cards at the um at the events but we can see by maybe a little bit of a jump in the survey responses and stuff they are maybe doing that QR code and they're engaging online even if they're not um uh filling out a comment card so I I just wanted to point that little um bit out there so at the December committee meeting one of the things uh we had presented at a couple of the previous meetings and then at December we said we we really need to we're at a stage in the process where we really need to identify what do we think our 2045 growth projection is going to be because that that number really helps us is essential actually to us building out many of the other plans from the land use to all of the infrastructure plans and all of that so this was really a key point at which we said we kind of need this number and um to build off of for future and we really can't go back backwards in time from this point because so much work builds off of that so in December um we had a really great conversation and discussion and um thanks to uh Siobhan for facilitating that but everybody kind of came to consensus that that roughly about 185,000 186,000 somewhere in that range is the number by 2045 that started to make sense to everybody um in that so we use that then to begin to to build on the work that we're doing here in the next couple months in January um we had some I think they were fun I hope most of the committee members I think thought they were fun too we held a series of some workshops um related to the land use planning process now this is where I really I can't emphasize enough the workshops that were held in January were the first step in really a four month plus process the we did the workshop in January with the steering committee and in in February and March we're going to be holding some neighborhood workshops I'm going to talk a little bit more about those in a second and then out of those workshops in in March and so going into April we'll be putting all of that together coalescing all of that into um kind of a draft land use plan so this is the map piece of itself of okay we're going to grow to 185,000 where does that growth start to occur what's that start to look like so we're looking at early or late spring early summer of having a draft that we'll be able to start to share out with with more folks building off of all of this information um so the purpose of those workshops in January with the steering committee was really to one review and provide Direction on the potential scenarios to support 185,000 by 2045 so we gave each group kind of two scenarios and said we could grow this way or we could we could grow in a trend or we could grow in a trend Plus and I can talk a little bit more about that and delve into that in more detail if you'd like me to I have that heat up if you want to um but we said Okay first step is kind of pick out and identify which one of those starts to make the most sense to you identify areas for that you think us as a planning team need to in investigate further during the neighborhood workshops in February and March and then finally just continue we're continuing to ask people to fill in our knowledge um any gaps that we have that we need to be having as we're going into these neighborhood workshops So based on that um we broke into kind of some smaller groups uh we ended up with about six different groups over the two-day period that took those kind of two scenarios so the first step was to identify um which scenario they wanted to go with so as a little bit of two things as a little bit of context here the um the yellow and so I'm just going to point out one here like that's some yellow squares we gave them and these are orange squares so the yellow squares these here um were a little less dense scenario where the orange squares were a little denser scenario couple other things just to give you some orientation here too um is the uh this area here that is the airport and we've added in a red line here on all of these Maps to give you a little orientation that's 48th Street so the first thing that we asked the groups to do was to pick which scenario they wanted to kind of play with um as they were laying out their pieces as you can see five of the groups all selected um a scenarios that used this or these orange colors which is the denser um scenario one group this group here actually chose to use the less kind of dense um approach to to the pro to the to the activity um and a few of the groups added in some other things of like where they thought Trail linkages should go and where they maybe thought Park pieces should go those are the green dots they we we gave them some green dots so they kind of if they had some time they played around with that but um so this was really helpful for us just beginning to see kind of in general terms what direction they saw um kind of the community potentially going over the next 20 years and and things that we needed to be taking into consideration um again that process those kind of six scenarios were kind of the first step in this and one of the things that we were doing in that in January then was looking for of those six where are our common themes what are the things that we're hearing kind of um consistently amongst the the groups and maybe where were some Divergent things where we need to dig deeper and continue to investigate and have conversations with folks in the neighborhood workshops that again that we'll be holding here next week and in March um so just to highlight again uh next week February 12th 13th and 15th we'll be holding workshops at Roosevelt Jefferson and Lake View um I would really like to emphasize on all of those workshops that those are really meant to be um a drop in come as you have time we'll have a number of stations where people can walk around learn more about the plan the different Master plans within the overall process give their input on those interact and talk with the planning team about those scenarios what maybe what's their preferred approach and ideas that they have about those um they'll be able to put dots on maps and marks on on things and so and just really have an opportunity to have one-on-one conversations there this is not a presentation format this is really an opportunity for folks to come in talk with us um share their ideas um and thoughts and so if somebody says Chief you know all I have is 15 minutes on um Monday night say stop by if that's all you got that's great stop by share a couple of your thoughts um we want to hear that uh is they do not nobody needs to come and spend the full two hours there they want to that's great um but we we want we want them to you know if all they have is a little bit of time we just want to make sure that we hear from them so that's kind of overall where we're at in the process right now and I'm going to step out of screen share just because it helps me to see things a little bit better um but I'm happy to answer any questions delve in any deeper on any of these pieces um and and answer any questions you have thanks everyone questions yes sir okay does uh the population growth chart is that based off of our existing and historic maybe growth rate so it maybe be a conservative estimate because we could potentially I mean 1.5 is not rapid growth per percent per year um but just wanted to clarify that that number is based off of what we've seen in our previous Census Data as far as growth rate per year roughly yeah so um yeah and just wait if I'm interrupting since I can't see all of your faces here so please if if shoban and and Mary Elizabeth can they'll let me know if I'm being inadvertently rude um but a little bit of background on those so yeah so we looked at a couple different scenarios with um the committee one of those included doing an analysis even on the student population and the impact that the student population has on the overall City's population um we also looked at the fact that you know I the way I often describe it that um as City grow their annual growth rates tend to decline because that base is getting bigger so the number of people maybe that you're adding um Can is maybe staying the same or even maybe getting larger but because that base is getting bigger the annual growth rate is is getting smaller so we took a look at that and said have historically your annual growth rate has been slow very slowly kind of declining because that base is getting bigger but the number of people that are actually coming into the community has actually stayed pretty consistent so actually holding that annual growth rate at maybe a 1.5 is not is a is a I wouldn't say is super aggressive but is maybe a slightly more aggressive than even what your Trend would say because we're making that assumption that that it's not going to continue to slowly decline as your base gets bigger I hope that makes sense I can follow up with any additional question does it also take into account uh growth in the Metro Oklahoma City metro area and how that how growth in Oklahoma City and More in other cities may impact uh more growth in Norman just by proxy um yeah I mean we we obviously looked at that we realized that the Oklahoma City metro area is um one of you know is one of the community one of the Metro areas within the country that's seeing some grow grow and has um a lot of things going on and obviously we're seeing that also on the mo side um we didn't necessarily go in and do something and saying like here's the Metro's growth and here's a proportion I will say we did go look at ACOG projection that they had for the larger region um but a lot of times in those it gets it gets really hard to like narrow it down to one specific city um if I remember right I haven't looked at that in a couple months now but if I remember right to maybe their projection didn't go all the way out to 2045 or something like that too I'd have to go back and look at that exactly so we did look at those pieces too okay I appreciate that that um I just asked because of like the DFW area and how like a domino effect of how rapid growth in Fort Worth and Dallas has caused all the suburbs around it to have in some cases extremely rapid growth um you know went from 15,000 people to 300 ,000 in the last 40 years some of them so um that's the reason I ask about that and then the map with the different colorcoded uh uh stickers and things where there maps that are more like zoomed in on specific areas of the city like downtown or west Lindsay Street or Ed Noble Parkway areas where we have a lot of ability to add housing and growth without expanding outwardly um basically how we can better better make better use of existing underutilized space or empty lots or parking lots um and things like that was that part of that as well um I would say that it was part of the discussion um I think what we probably saw among a lot of the um committee members was just a little bit of a hesitancy sometimes to put a color block on top of like existing areas because of what that can kind of say sometimes to to folks but I would say that it one of we talked about some of the common themes we heard and um and Siobhan and Mary Elizabeth you can jump in here too if you disagree with this but I would say probably one of the common things we did here is saying whenever possible we need to be looking at ways where we can infill use the resources and infrastructure we have already as efficiently as possible so one of the things that we took out of that and that we're taking into these neighborhood workshops is this ability because they were kind of looking at the whole big city is at the neighborhood at these kind of neighborhood levels to be able to zero in on those areas a little bit more and get a better understanding where we think the potential is so we can start to say okay we think this U percentage could maybe be occurring in kind of infill and Redevelopment areas and also then I think the really important part of that then is that next step in the process of okay and then here's maybe some policies and things that we have to do to make that feasible to expand oh go ahead Sean say and the housing subcommittee has started talking about those ideas and are thinking about those things as well the one thing and just the one thing um is is those you know those those squares are averages and so they don't necessarily more dense or less dense areas they're just averages throughout the whole city so some of those blocks will be much more dense than others and so um it's hard at this point when we're looking at the 50,000 ft view where can we on an average find more areas to put those new homes to house those 185,000 people and so the next step would be looking more closely I think at density and how those bigger blocks get broken down in a more granular dense perspective that's yeah that's the kind of um yeah the basis of it is if it was getting down to the parcel level where I agree you don't want to put you know a red square on somebody's existing house and say hey we're going to build we're going to take your house we're build but if there's a big giant empty lot that's not a city park um and isn't planned to be one or there's a giant old parking lot or even a new parking lot that's way underutilized that on a parcel by parcel basis those being looked at as we could that could be a apartment building that's there instead of an you should come to the what Workshop well we've been trying to trying to kind of see how it goes without our hands getting but um I really appreciate the uh the update on this uh and all your work on this so far thank you please um I was curious about storm water and housing because when we talk about adding that density we have to talk about some of our limitations um so is that work kind of happening um um collaboratively I think that's the ultimately the entire purpose of doing all of these Master plans under that comprehensive land use planning at the same time CU you're you you hit the nail on the head and so it'll be very much an iterative process uh you know once we have some broad ideas or making those broad brush Strokes then we start to come in and get a little bit more fine-tuned with our brushes right and that will iteratively reflect what we do in storm water where we lay wider sewer lines so forth and so on so the beauty of the vision that you all have brought to the table with this is how those plans will work together and be complementary as opposed to being fractured and then the other part following up with that is we're working on an Adu ordinance which will address some housing and but also is limited by storm water um we're also talking about pattern zoning and Tiff District Master Plan where Council m home and alluded to some spots but um do you think that work might also make it to those committees and uh in the sense it's like hey this is what council's working on so you might look at uh what could be financed in this area if you wanted to look at affordable housing options um so if you think about like 12 and Lindsay or Porter and Robinson so I know that financing is not a part of these lands that we're doing at at the storm water land use Etc Tiff districts um and I think that there will be um recommendations what that we are when we're done with this if there's any ordinance updates that need to be made um then we that'll be part of the recommendation of all of all these things but as this work is ongoing and you all have identified specific areas that need to be included at the land use then we certainly need to know those ideas and thoughts and and make sure that we uh incorp inate that which is agreed to in the overall Master planning process so Mary Elizabeth the and I I I think where we where we wind up where council member grants going when we do Master plans for sewer water and Storm drink infrastructure we're going to identify where we've got limitations on infrastructure existing and where we think we need to add capacity to account for density and I think that's when we recognize what the need is where it is geographically and then we look at current assessed value current sales tax generation to see if tax increment financing could be one of those vehicles to get us where I think you're going so we master plan I think will make the picture clear and then we'll line that up with what uh current assess value looks like fin G may be a great tool to help us paint a really really clear picture with those master plan uh documents and and I think our storm waterer subcommittee just met this afternoon just before this meeting so it was a room full of several of these people in here doing that hard heavy lifting on on storm water as it relates to the plan well I do think the beauty of this of what of how you all are are moving forward with this is when you all look for various funding options the first thing they're going to ask is do you have an updated comp plan do you have an updated land use plan what does your Wastewater master plan reflect and so that just further supports your ability to um compete for various financing options out there in in the greater commercial space okay thank you hello okay so my first question was you had 180 comment cards at 17 different popup events how many people were going to each of those events so is that like a majority of the people that were showing up so those popup events were being held at commonly held Citywide events and so like if we went to uh the U Mutual Aid fair for example which is one that I attended to and had a table there were you know hundreds of people probably that filtered through and we had representation Lisa was there Lisa's been awesome by the way at attending so many of these pop of events and helping hand out cards sure um and so some that we've not been able to man and so we've just made sure that there's the access to some of that information so we weren't creating the popup event we were just making sure that we were available at ones are already attended and then my next question is so one thing that's kind of looming over the city of Norman is a potential Turnpike and so that were to happen that would sort of change a whole lot of the stuff and so I think we met in the fall last summer could have been two years ago I don't know anymore but one thing that I really Express concern with is wanting to kind of have like a plan A and A Plan B is that something that's being considered right now as we're moving forward like so this is how it is now but then potentially we could have this issue yeah and I that would change growth and development out east which is I said that plan a and plan B and I misspoke I think because I don't want anybody to think that we're going through an effort to develop one plan right and then going through a whole another effort to develop a plan without it we'll have a plan with options and it's kind of like if we have you know the idea of the comp plan is not to um Define the merits of the turnpike it is just to identify if it happens this is what will be done and if that doesn't happen then this is what will be done and so it's almost like the plan will exist in phases you know one phase will be initiated if something moves forward and that's the case for housing developments or if something happens with water there's what we would call a trigger and something some event in the city could trigger that next item or that next project in the plan and so again like we don't have control over the turn P Authority we're not here to um debate the merits of it because you know what I mean we're just here to give you all a plan of action a lot of zoning things that come before us and I'm so sick of hearing the 2025 2025 like I'm I'm done with it I'm ready to move on but the problem with that is that so many of those factors that went into that plan are outdated information and so but we're holding to that plan so I just want to make sure that we have a trigger mechanism in place that okay if this does happen we don't have to re invent the wheel and move forward do you have anything to add to that Amy yeah no well I was just going to say too that and it was probably hard to see in the the kind of the six scenarios from the Committees on those base maps that they were working off of we actually kind of dashed in the what is out there right now from the Turnpike Authority their potential routes and and asked for that kind of feedback of like okay if this would happen like what do you um what direction do you want to go to so we were trying to have that as part of that dialogue too or at least making sure people were thinking about it like like um Mary Elizabeth said if if then what or if this then what yeah yeah and I think the other final thing to add is the idea of this plan is not to set something in stone you know so the um there's some policies that you know will likely be adopted but it's supposed to be a living document that allows flexibility as the community grows so you know the the um the route of the turnpike could change right sure um and the the the tools that we will hope to provide you as part of this comp plan will still be in place whether it goes here or there and so that will still allow you all to implement it regardless of where maybe that Turnpike end up going but our experience like we've lost lawsuits based on that being scripture so well I mean yeah they're they're true but we feel it differently but yeah okay the idea I want make consideration yeah and at the Forefront okay and I think one of the things we talked about in the original talking about the document was that every five years we would look at that in total again and see how that keeps up so we can make incremental changes not massive changes that was the thought that's an excellent point Mar any other questions well thank you ladies well I I'd like to thank sioban and Inger and all of the volunteers for all of the subcommittees and the Committees and Jane as well and the tireless effort that she and her staff have put into this there's been countless conversations and efforts and um we're we're thankful for everybody being so committed and and and excited about this process so well thank you very much thanks everyone for attending T all right we'll take a couple minutes so the ladies can get reconfigured and we'll start on number three is that I think it's chocolate chip I'm hoping it's chocolate chip I was like that's not a bad5 is not a bad is a w don't have any nuts in it so that's quite the risky just gam that does not feel overly aggressive because I would have thought it was around three I'm glad it's all right item number three discussion regarding the FY 25 2025 Capital Improvements proog program budget and the FY 20 26 through 29 Capital Improvement plan sorry I can't speak uh Kim would you take mayor um that working okay this is uh Jacob Huckabee's baby he's the uh budget technician that really focuses on capital projects so I'm going to try to do this presentation Justice he's under the weather tonight but luckily we have all of the project managers here to assist as needed um let's talk about some big expensive capital projects and Anthony course is here with his expertise um this is a preparation of next fiscal Year's uh Capital Improvement projects and then the capital Improvement plan for fiscal years 26 through 29 just to look at the budget calendar for next fiscal year um we've already had um an update on November 21st on current projects and then we discussed council's prior priorities a little bit for next fiscal year tonight we're going to discuss some proposed new projects and midpoint evaluations and then we'll have a final CIP session on May 7th to review the final proposed plan for f schol year 25 so we're going to start with a look at our bond programs uh first one up is uh the 2021 Street Maintenance Bond program it's a 5year 27 million uh program that was voted on April 6th and approved at that point and I'm I'm have a cold myself so bear with me um and uh there's five components in that program Urban asphalt pavement Urban concrete pavement railroad re Rehabilitation urban road reconstruction and preventative maintenance and of course uh years one and two are complete and we're uh working on year three right now and then we'll have two more years to finish up um looking at the 2019 trans Transportation Bond program uh currently we have 11 projects under construction to be complete by 2027 originally there were 13 projects to be completed by 2027 and we are pursuing ACOG funds grants and other funding sources for the remaining projects complete at this point um is the Porter Avenue and Acre Street project we've secured Federal funding for the Porter Avenue streetcape The Grey Street two-way conversion traffic Management Center and the Jenkins Avenue mhaw lindsy street section and we're going to use bond funds only for James Garner Avenue from acres to deffy moving on to the 2023 Bridge maintenance spawn program this is going to focus on 18 Bridges either replacement or Rehabilitation it's going to take uh place over 10 years um funded of course by the 2023 Bridge maintenance Bond construction's going to begin spring of 2024 total estimated cost is $50 million Bond bids will be received on February 27th and we have a list of uh bridges that we're going to focus on here on the right and the green um icons depict priority locations and the blue icons depict anticipated locations moving on to the 2012 Transportation storm water Bond program this program is just about complete we're just waiting on some federal transportation grant funding on the 36 Avenue Northwest project from tumsa road to Indiana's Road and today we've received 41 m341 of total federal funds on this program any questions on that so how do we spend uh New Capital sales tax revenue these are the guidelines that we adhere to 36% of capital sales tax revenue is spent on other projects and Debt Service 27% is spent on Capital outlay which is like Vehicles computers Furniture things of that nature 25% is spent on Street Maintenance projects 7% is spent on maintenance of existing facilities and then 5% is General contingency and recall that in the current fiscal year we flipped the percentages or the allocations for the maintenance of existing facilities and general contingency due to the increased footprint of all the new city facilities is that helping um that's that's a good question for Wade if he's here I'll answer that uh it's kind of kind of a little early in the process to kind of figure out if that's helping so we just went through that first full uh cycle of that and to our buildings are newer so we're still under warranty period uh but as we're expanding Footprints of all these buildings it will most definitely help I think it was somewhere in A2 to $300,000 range that would add to um facilities thank you sir and it's also helping to have some oversight with building maintenance on all of these projects that a lot of the Departments are asking for so um so how much money do we have to spend the status of the capital fund uh for the current fiscal year uh our current projections and the reserves that we have for the capital fund currently we're at $3 million so nothing to spend this year unless we uh I guess uh switch funding on some other projects move some funding around but in 25 we are projecting to have about $262,000 to spend on new capital projects and then in fiscal year 26 we're looking at about 5.7 million at this point the 206 these figures include uh recurring project funds um and we'll go over those in a little bit here yes sir uh that was what I was going to ask about the deficit this year what would be the primary cause of that that we have projects out that we're doing right now no the the deficit this year is primarily because of the um the reserves that we have for all of our bonds we're required to keep a certain amount of reserves that's the biggest thing so we're not actually spending that money on Project s were required to have an a certain amount of reserve and that's causing a we we are required to spend those funds at some point we you know there's earmarked funds for this project unless you cancel that project you know you would not have any funds to do something else so it's a right kind of idea is that what I'm understanding when you say right r a rate the rate of spending we have to slow down the rate of spending that's one way of addressing it again okay and and usually we don't spend as much as we budget to have spent um and yes that would be one way to address it thank you sir so these are some of the recurring projects that we factored into that 262,000 available in the upcoming fiscal year um first is sidewalk projects um sidewalk program for schools and arterials uh they're looking at about $100,000 for fiscal year 25 which is a $20,000 increase from the current fiscal year funding um they're looking at Mimosa Drive North Side from Peters Avenue to stman Avenue and then the sidewalk accessibility project $45,000 for fiscal year 25 which is a $155,000 increase from the current fiscal year and they're looking at Main Street and creekdale Drive North Side Citywide sidewalk projects $125,000 which is a $25,000 increase from the current fiscal year um downtown area sidewalk project $50,000 the same amount we allotted in the current fiscal year they're looking at Crawford Avenue and do Street Ramson sidewalks South Webster Avenue ramps north side of post office ramps and then sidewalks and trails $140,000 up 20,000 from the current fiscal year and they're looking at phase two of voy Street the South Side from Broad Lane to flood Avenue with pedestrian bridge over Creek and then continuation of Mimosa Drive North Side from Peters Avenue to stman Avenue and then finally the horizontal saw cut program $40,000 same allocation as the current fiscal year and they're looking at Barry Road continuing North from the 2024 program that's $500,000 that they're um hoping to be approved in the recurring sidewalk project for next next school year it one thing I would point out is that a lot of the requests that we have been getting from Council are related to sidewalk projects Public Works is doing the best job that they can to try to work those in but just know that that's something that you might want to reallocate some funds and shift some more funds toward sidewalks and the increase is primarily due to increased construction costs from the current fiscal year to next fiscal year um moving on to other recurring projects um for fiscal year 25 we're projecting about 4.7 million in capital outlay and again those are computers uh fleet vehicles Furniture things of that nature about 2.3 million on Street Maintenance 210,000 on a network switch replacement project uh 1.2 million on maintenance of existing facilities a storm water drainage maintenance 2.3 million um 1 .3 million on our Engineers that are paid for from the capital fund 100,000 in our OD audit adjustment um 1 million in Bridge maintenance 10,000 for driveway repairs 100,000 for Street striping 50,000 for traffic calming 100,000 for community and neighborhood improvements 300,000 for our ongoing ada8 compliance program and then 225,000 for GIS mapping update and that's an increase from4 in the current fiscal year for about 14 million in recurring recurring capital projects so now we're going to look at some of the projects that staff is requesting for the current fiscal year and these are very preliminary estimates so they are subject to change in the public works department um they're discussing Norman Transit Center Bay Paving um about 156,000 uh in fisc 25 City Hall Municipal complex parking 325,000 West gra street parking lot 221,000 adaa bus stop Remediation 112,000 in FIS 25 and then another 113,000 in fiscal year 26 Paving area west of traffic office 125,000 in fiscal year 25 State Highway 9 multimodal path 72nd to 96 Street 225,000 in year 25 and then 500,000 in 26 Rock Creed and Pendleton signalization 100,000 in fiscal year 25 void in class and intersection study 50,000 in fiscal year 25 12th Avenue and Alama intersection study 50,000 in fiscal year 25 12 East and Bowmont signalization 150,000 in fiscal year 25 CG station Compressor replacement won just over a million dollars in fiscal year 25 and then fle facility renovation 737,000 fiscal year 25 and then another 2 million spread out over fiscal Year's 26 plus and keep in mind that these are requests they may not be approved but these are the requests that the Departments are working on right now oh council member sorry um the Transit Center Bay Paving um our that's because we didn't didn't repave it and kind of figured some stuff out since we started using it yeah that's correct so we did not replace the paving in there it's currently asphalt paving already SE some failers in that Paving and we've had to do some repairs on it we see it continuing to fail with the movement of the buses and the weight and the consistency of them moving over there so this proposal be to come in and do that in concrete to make it more give it more longevity and make it just a better working service okay and then the uh City Hall Municipal complex parking is that redoing existing parking adding new parking actually that's a lot of us adding new parking uh that we own those lots over there at Webster and dos on the southwest corner and we'd be able to take that if you remember we used to have the cage up at North base where we parked all the city employ all the city Vehicles were used daily by employees when we did the expansion up there we lost what we called the cage and so those Vehicles now were kind of parked out here and what would be visitor parking for the complex especially for Municipal Court we'd be able to build a parking lot in that area and be able to move those Vehicles into that area to free up more space here in our lot uh for visitors and for parking for staff it also include some other repairs as well as some dumpster locations and some other minor repairs that just have become needed over the years would it be a gated parking lot uh that's a discussion we are discussing that right now but we're kind of looking at the inflow and outflow and how we how we'd manage that I think that having it being gated and having the cage back uh just for security of the equipment that we keep in some of the vehicles we would prefer that but that would just come down to a cost basis if we could do that at this time those lots appear to be single family residential lots but there's a flood plane issue that we don't want to see any vertical construction but a parking lot makes really good use keep the aesthetic of it in mind with the houses that are next to it absolutely and then uh West Grey Street parking lot that would be across the street from here correct just going ahead and Paving it we could set it up like we had the other uh Grey Street lot where you'd be able to that there for parking and charge for parking like we do in the other lot and then the bus stoper mediation that's just fixing yes current ones that aren't up to code yes bring those all into ad current ada8 compliance there's still some that are out of compliance we need to address and then uh west of Paving area west of traffic office what is that so that's up at North base okay uh it's in the area that utilities is they' have moved to their new wonderful new location uh they left an area over there where they used to store a lot of their equipment and pipes uh and their fittings and those items and we're looking at that splitting some of that area between parks and uh public works but it's currently dirt and just to make it more usable we'd like to go in there and asphalt it so that it's better for the equipment that we're saring out there for example we had to move light poles for the expansion for the new sanitation building that were stored there they're now out in what is our debris management uh area out by the new utilities facility and we' like to put these here it's better not have those sitting in dirt and getting them wet because they'll last longer manag moving on to a request from the IT department um they're working on a request for office and email software replacement it'll be about $300,000 a year from fiscal years 25 through 29 and then an IT infrastructure project which will be about $900,000 per year from fiscal years 25 through 27 Mr Powers is always the bearer of good news when he comes to our uh management meetings and um you know we recognize that it infrastructure as being uh a vulnerability and and we've got highly qualified people uh working to ensure the security of our it investment and it's just it's not cheap we we always used to dream of this paperless environment we recognize man When It's All Digital it's it's expensive yeah really don't see us going back to paper so it'll just be a matter of us conditioning the budget over time to account for document storage whether it's on equipment we own and manage here if we're paying for cloud storage just really isn't a cheap solution for us yes sir I would just encourage us to continue thinking of it on the same level of priority for Public Safety as we think of and Fire that it is as much of importance that it's functioning I feel like those other two Services could be rendered somewhat helpless if it was not up to oh yeah up to tasks encourage us and future councils to keep keep that in mind looking at Police Department requests um police training burm renovation $4.7 million in fiscal year 25 police training facility security $225,000 for fil year 25 police training facility range Tower $195,000 and then uh the Nick asphalt pavement repair $272,000 in fisical year 25 how much of that came was tornado damage that we had the range Tower is one and the uh there's a lot of fence damage cuz a lot of Dee hit everything you know range Power they say it's structur sound but it's about 30y old structure and it's starting to thank you sir um Parks and Recreation requests a public beautification project at 150,000 kids space playground replacement $750,000 Little Axe complex upgrade $175 ,000 Park sign update 40,000 tennis and tck pickle ball projects 190,000 sooner theater sign and restrooms 95,000 Ruby Grant Park upgrades 425,000 downtown holiday decorations 70,000 Ruby Grant football field upgrade 65,000 Westwood Aquatic Center new features 1.5 million wfac parking lot expansion 4 ,000 um adult W is it adult well wellness and education thank you you say all parking lot expansion 300,000 new Splash Pad location to be determined 750,000 yes the expansion of the all parking lot where is that going we're just getting a lot of requests out there the uh the all during lunch we also work with aging Serv to serve pre launches there and ever since we moved over to adult wellness and education 300% change and how many eat lunch used to be about 10 to 15 people now uh they have C it at 60 they had few few uh few weeks where again 80 or 90 people a day but they just have problems producing that but the during lunch uh you have people which are not technically members of of the adult wellness and education center coming in there or Healthy Living coming in there and eating lunch and taking up parking spots for for members and we also have uh a lot of people starting to park on uh the street on Finley out there and and walking it's just not a whole lot of support for that and we have I think 80 parking spots youever take a few out there right now and uh we've been talking to FSD and this would add um which is our designer of the all this would add somewhere around 30 would it be on the northeast of the existing building it' be on the north side of the the building um kind of extend extending that parking lot uh do have an option if we want to add more going into the back but that would uh back of the building but that would kind of risk a future area of if we ever put a gym in that area working too with M Health uh the the hospital's mental health I can't remember the name uh that's right there too yeah so as you see Norman Regional campus starting to progress out there you'll see more parking spots pop up all the way through the campus um now the only question comes is how far do we want the the senors to walk yes to to get there but right now this be a little bit of a temporary relief to get get them off of parking off the street and get them get them into the parking lot a little bit idea yes sir I'm done um haven't talked about in a while but kid space um most popular playground in Norman most heavily used one too I bet um so means a lot to everybody and Community project and building it and all that stuff and um so we've talked about the future of it and preserving it but making it better updated materials that are more durable stuff like that what's uh maybe the latest update on that so if you look at kids face uh that was installed the 25th anniversary of that being installed is uh actually come here this year um you look at at the technology as when that was um installed it's all wood timers uh we have uh concept problems and that's our highly highest maintained playground right now concept problems with the wood rotting out there from old infrastructure all the wood that's inside the ground and it's been inside the ground for for 25 years were're um going through there and popping up various pieces of it and replacing it piece by piece and there's only so much that we believe that we can peace mil and when you look at this playground it's a Leathers playground if you look at the history of leathers and they kind of period we're probably the second oldest um playground that's still existing of their old wood structure now they have a more more we were have a design from others to to update that but it would be more of a uh a tyrex or I might be saying that wrong but it's a a fabricated wood look plastic that that goes in there would last way longer than that wood um is uh right now and that's about the cost of it um and two to take up the Ada level of it we're not putting in in our community Parks we're trying to avoid putting in uh any surfaces that are hard to get on so that would be a uh or anybody to on so that would be a port surface like we see Andrews and Ruby Grant uh it's quite expensive uh as you can see but to kind of match what we've done in the past that would uh with the first kids space that would be around the cost for a complete take out and new place U the original kids space if you go back in a time time machine or look in the history books was a community effort um doesn't mean we can't um put together that type of community effort and try to to raise the full cost of that boat uh if I remember right that was about $150,000 playground 25 years ago and that's kind of what let's stop making 25 years ago sound like a long time that's hurtful to all of us in this room thank you but in our discussions about it before we talked about for people that would be concerned about we're going to get rid of it and it would ideally still Leathers is still a company we we talk we've been on the zoom call with them uh it would still the theme would still be similar to what a castle and the different stuff like that interactive and um I think the reasons why people love it so much at least the reasons why I love it so much is that theme of it so but doing that keeping that type of theme but expanding make it maybe even bigger than it is now with those Ada features and uh the not having the wood chips which kids in wheelchairs can't get around on very easily so uh but just wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about that cuz I we'll probably get questions about it if it's something we do fund so and like to add that there are pieces that we think we can save and maybe um you look at Edmond and uh their brand new park project where they saved a rocket and redid it made fire a public park there is a possibilities we can save section of it sections of this and make it into a public art or a reminder of everybody that the great Community effort that we had in the past but that's just all integrated in there we would recommend you know trying to replace as much of it as we can it is it is a it's falling apart yeah oh I'm sorry yeah were you planning on moving it North and and having we're reorienting it yeah we're talking about reorient reorienting move right now uh it's kind of north south we move more of an East West so it can fit better into our current Park so my fit a not a beatball field but a magic field yeah a miracle field um that would be really close right there and we have um that right next to it and like I said try to make that as that playground as accessible as possible when you think about the forlane Jenkins and the investment happening there um what a perfect opportunity to really finish that off with a brand new upgraded yeah presence all the utilities will be underground um more trees new signage roundabout softball stadium that'd be a great piece and then the sooner theater sign in restrooms that would that replace all the light bulbs on the Marquee and all that stuff come in there be a complete oh James is here I'll let him yeah that sign you know the first sign a picture it was actually mounted on the east side of the building so somewhere in the '90s they rebuilt the sign dalmark signs St business they built a new sign so it's not even the original sign it's just sort of the reimagined original sign they mattered on the west side of the building so we'd like to take a shot of kind of it it's guts are getting kind of old we're losing sockets all the time so you know all the bulbs are new it's just not all the sockets are burning anymore and the neon sometimes on sometimes is so this be just remove it refurbish it or rebuild it and then the other half of that project is to there's there's actually more restrooms in the mezanine level upstairs so this be renovate that bathroom into another space cuz when they have Full House you know intermission is super long because then we have the two bathrooms there you know all anticipating maybe future expansion someday and have more and more and more bathrooms but this sort of a two-part project in one the sign because it's just kind of hard to maintain in which we just have to take out the building and you know brch it send it back to the workshop and fix it up there and bring it back here and put it back on the building get it burning better then also the rest get rest perfect and then the uh last one was that parking lot expansion to add on to council Grant um had sent you an email last week we had talked about maybe getting an update for Council on both of those about parking at the wfac and the um awe and what the plans were for expansion and then especially at the awe how that might look with the Redevelopment of the whole property um because it's going to look so much different when they start removing that the majority of the hospital building so and I will say that right now these prices were just uh guessing we're getting back drawings of what the parking lot layout would look like in an estimate they're saying around $4,000 per parking spot for on ground parking so the uh once we figure out how we want it laid out if we want parking in the back of the building at the all or not we'll be able to figure out pretty dang close with design fees on on what how much we would need uh to to build that out and we're already adding right back in there um we haven't posted it on on any social media but we plan to there there we have a picture from our construction cam on a Saturday night in our very first uh nonleague play tournament that we had uh and there was probably we have a 286 parking spots in the wfac and um we probably had close to 7 or 800 cars um that was flowing out into streets flowing out into the suets parking lot uh uh just want to start thinking about how we handle that especially if we have a nor 42 project where we expand to add more gems or put a 15 me pull in with a thousand Spectators in it we have a real we're going to have real problems out there uh with parking and two we have to figure out as that property develops we have to make sure that we are good neighbors and make hopefully our parking is not expanding on or encroaching on restaurants or other places because we have to make sure that they stay profitable as well um and we don't hog all all of their their parking spots during our events we don't have the we don't own the property to the west of the parking lot do we we do not um so these are wonderful problems that we love to try to to tackle and that concept of um things that could be in Norman forward to 50 meter pool two additional gyms and we might need to think about vertical parking on the east side of 24th out there because what you built is exactly what community members needed and they're showing us in their participation early early on in access to the UNAM athletic center it it was overwhelming it was fabulous to see how well received that facility is in the pool side's not even open yet so we're dealing with this one it's basketball only that's the only complaint I've heard about it but does that drone picture show how much of the embassy suite's parking lot is being used by those 700 cars no it it's a it's a construction cam on top of the Embassy Sweets that points back just at our project uh but we did talk to the Embassy site you actually um uh Scott the general manager asked to meet with me so he met me over the wack the the previous or the next day um on that Monday and told me that it was about 70% of his back parking lot was taken and they host free and I thought this was the funniest part not really but it is funny um they give out free continental breakfast every every morning so their average on a Saturday is about 4 to 500 if um free breakfasts if they have a full house and they serve 900 breakfasts that morning they're trying to figure out I guess word spread at the basketball tournament hey scrambled egg okay guess they don't check to see your um well so I I just asked because I've seen some of those comments and feedback about the parking and I've everybody I've known I've been saying we have an agree a shared parking agreement with the Embassy Suites that whole east side of the hotel is available um and the response I've gotten is oh I didn't know that so uh I've been telling them tell all your your other moms and dads with kids that they can use that I little clear up that we don't have a agreement um on paper uh the Embassy Sweets did not want to progress with that we had a uh basically a letter of intent at some point and nothing ever materialized we've got told from the emby Suites they want to see how this first year goes before they enter into a an agreement U and they've talked about different options if it becomes a problem even charging for parking in their parking lot wow if it you know becomes a major problem so they have to make sure they once again we want to be good neighbors make sure that we are considerate of the businesses around us we want to make sure we don't overrun them um weekend they're having a big convention yeah and I would encourage people to use that further east not right up against build um but uh okay well but they people can park there right now and they're not going to get towed right correct okay or he's not Towing anybody that's okay all right thanks Jason appreciate it want his name on a garage exctly come on SO moving on to council requests these are the requests that we've received so far um and these are estimates Bishop Creek Rehabilitation 750,000 in fiscal year 25 and then 1.7 million in 26 Main Street two-way conversion 600,000 in 25 and then 4.5 million in fiscal year 27 Cedar Lane Road Extension 2 million in fiscal year 25 and 22.4 million in fiscal year 26 and and on Reed Avenue reconstruction uh it's a current year project 550,000 in fiscal year 25 and then 1 million in fiscal year 26 class in in Post Oak signalization 100,000 in fiscal year 25 and 60,000 in 26 Alam Crawford Apache um intersection uh study 50,000 in fiscal year 25 and then Maine and Wy signalization 100,000 in fiscal year 25 yes ma'am um so the estimates here are for the full scope of the project kind of depends on the project okay so I'm going to ask about the one that I put on there which is the made and Wy signalization okay so that one what we're looking at is that would be for design we're looking at submitting that to ACOG for a 100% funded Safety project perect so that is we're saying would be the full cost of that project okay pending that that fund okay awesome thanks for doing that Scott are you doing the same with Cedar Lane as an estimate and then Cedar Lane's a we this is the third time that we've looked at this project we got a pretty good understanding of it now um so the $2 million in that first year is just for that that that's just our design phase and then we'll be looking at construction phases we are looking at some options we have to maybe do some phasing where it wouldn't be one hit we could did over a series of years but we're still evaluating that we're still pretty early and really getting down to that kind of level of detail it's hard to build a bridge and have nothing going to it something going there no bridge and you know we have to make sure that we do it all the way to 12th or we fail and we have to make sure that Jenkins is going to function properly so it's really a lot of roadway that we have to address along with building the new bridge moving some utilities possibly a gas and oil well that's there at the corner uh there's a lot of items there that people don't realize just looking at that project is from the surface there's a lot of little pieces that add up to be a big a very large project Bishop Creek yeah AC cross a bridge over Bishop Creek Cil member home uh Sue this isn't my ward and I did ask Staff last March after the storm so the tornado and everything um caused Highway 9 and Cedar Lane or and Highway 77 to both be closed down and it created a situation where the thousands of residents of Eagle Cliff and Cedar Lane and Monterey and Cobblestone Creek and Independence Valley that and the sage at Cobblestone Independent Living Center all the which are down there the only way they could get out of the neighborhood was through 12th Avenue at Highway 9 and that resulted in people being stuck for hour plus trying to get out of the neighborhood and um there's always been a concern from residents down there about um it was more of a concern when it was still two two lane country roads with a four-way stop sign at 12th and Cedar Lane so it's much better now that it's the 12th Avenue has improved all the way to Highway 9 but the concern about if there was ever an incident with a train if the train were to derail or Block Cedar Lane and there was an emergency the only way for everyone to get out of that entire area would be 12th Avenue and Highway 9 and that could create a pretty significant situation um 10 years ago or so uh commissioner harelson and I met with City staff and talked about Post Oak Road connecting to 12th Avenue to the South and Cedar Lane connecting to Jenkins to the west and we kind of came to the conclusion that Cedar Lane was was a better option uh because Post Oak Road you would still have to cross the railroad tracks to get out of there so um both had similar challenges with Bridges and Creeks that would need to be crossed uh but Cedar Lane made the most sense as if it did go west to connect to Cedar Lane traffic last February during that storm would have been able to exit out of the neighborhood through Jenkin and they could have also exited by going around to shatona and getting to Highway 9 so it would have opened up two additional access points for people to get out um so I did ask staff to do a kind of a detailed presentation about what it would take to do that and they showed us these numbers and how it would require us to also improve Jenkins Avenue from Highway 9 all the way south and there's topography issues and it's it's on a slope right there where it where it would connect and then you have the water uh Water Reclamation facility there and then the uh police training facility and the animal welfare center and a lot of stuff going on and industrial type uses and so um this isn't a project that I'm going to Advocate that we fund out of the general fund $22 million a year um I am interested in potentially uh getting a design for it but I I think it's probably a a future voter Bond project most likely so there's yeah 22 million pre that's a and yeah it's a mega project so I'd be interested in uh ways we can do some design and start looking at other funding options we might be able to get but I just wanted to clarify I'm not asking us to fund this project uh in full or anything right now or so but it is an issue that's down there it's a real Unique Kind of issue in the city of Norman that that that exists down there and so um just make sure it is everybody on everybody's radar for the future though thanks um I had a question about two of them that I put on there uh one was Reed alley um could or I said Aly re Avenue yes but I was thinking the alley so what exactly I've never got an update about what the studies suggested and and we apologize for that we really were kind of putting that together in time to get it into this list um we did get that information back we kind of looked at it in as an engineering team uh what looks like needs to be done is probably to widen the road to the west from the center line going have to do some interesting slope things there to get it to work and then we could put a curb in along that sideline or along that west side of the street and we think that would allow us to get water to travel all the way down to ealo where the first Inlet is we can ask you to go underground and then we would also redo the alleyway that goes east west they uh right at 148 and so we probably tried to put a little bit of a a little bit more that is completely flat there's not a foot drop from one end the other so the water can't go anywhere we'd probably try to do a little bit of work to at least get a little bit of flow both directions but that's what that uh project would entail so it' be basically a half road construction exp we'd have to widen it to make sure that they can get Emergency Services down there if cars were parked on both sides so that's kind of what we were looking at um and so is that like the 550,000 like and then what's the 1 million and so 50,000 is what uh that that would be for us to go in and start doing the design and start looking til relocation some RightWay uh we think we do within rideway there may be some issues there we want to work around but we have money in there and that for the first year so we be doing all the design and then the second year would be construction and then um um oh about that one but Main Street two-way conversion might be like a bond one uh but could you explain about the 600k is that also going to be like the study and then the 4.5 million so the 600,000 uh we'd had initial uh request from council member Holman uh and council member peacock to look at what it would cost for us to do the uh initial design so we could have a design ready to go whenever there was funding available so $600,000 is our current estimate what it would take to do the design work on that and then the con actual construction cost is there at the 4.5 million and we're hoping that we can find some ways to cut that down but that's kind of our conservative estimate based on what we're seeing on Grace Street right now thank you thank you K and then uh our last slide upcoming and current challenges most of these items have been on here for quite a while um increases in construction costs uh I35 Corridor study access Oklahoma Turn Pipe plan uh public transportation the RTA purchasing land for for stations zoning recommendations from the transit study the fleet replacement we did kind of fill that Gap a little bit in the current year with some extra allocations but we're still behind fleet's recommendations um Information Technology infrastructure and Microsoft system upgrades you saw the projects that it is uh proposing storm water infrastructure Fleet fueling facility sidewalk gaps aim Norman land use and master plan updates implementation of the north base master plan Griffin Hospital Oklahoma Department of Mental Health land purchase Redevelopment UNP Arena Development Center City Tiff Police Department Building B improvements PD V vehicle storage facility at the ecoc estimated cost of 1.5 million and then uh the W fact budget it's almost complete um but you just you just appropriated 900,000 to kind of close out this project C thank you uh on the RTA uh is that proposed sales tax just to fund the RTA or are we able to use that to build stations as well or do we have to come up with the extra money to build the stations I think that's extra money I think can you say it again the sales tax that's going to use to fund the RTA we able to use portions of that to actually build the stations or do we need to come up with that additional fund I believe that's the idea because the it would include funding to build the stations now obviously like the depot they probably wouldn't do anything with that we don't need to go out do a bond program to build RTA stations well and the opportunity there will be a basic platform configuration that you'll see repeated we do think there will be opportunities for uh private investment to add amenities at those station stops and provide business opportunities uh we think we may have to come up with some money up front for land acquisition and then seek reimbursement so you know our goal would be to tie pieces up under contract and not go through the acquisition until after the question was was posed before the voters but uh we we may have to move on some of the properties sooner than later and do we have a anticipated date for when we might be putting that vote to the public um the the target was late 2024 and we recognize you know that November 2024 ballot could be really really busy and maybe not the best time to ask the question but maybe so um we we believe um in the first quarter of 2020 four uh the RTA board will have 15% drawings of what it is to be built and finally have some pictures to be uh able to circulate among uh community members to recognize when this question comes these are the types of um assets that will be covered in the acquisition and then operating expenses so we're getting closer I think 24 late 24 is a possibility appreciate that thank you uh let's see the my recollection yes of the RTA throughout the years has been that uh there's a basic standard model of platform station that we be built be built using RTA funding but if we wanted enhancements of it or something nicer than we would have to pay for that ourselves uh and uh I do like the idea of acquiring property and potentially getting reimbursed for it too by the RTA um but still continue to be concerned about how the RTA has to be paid for Via sales tax and so I we'll see how that goes I like both of our Representatives on that board and um I've always been very confident that uh Governor Henry is the chair of that committee so that's helps I think give it even more legitimacy in a lot of folks eyes so um and then I just want to mention that North base master plan that we got a presentation on earlier this year where it talked about the longer we wait it could turn into a billion dollar uh thing to try too all of that thing so um those are the things that make our city run up there so that's something to think about and then the uh police department Building B improvements um the public safety study will give us an idea of about that building or building a new building or whatnot I'm is that still the yep and DC do we anticipate that Public Safety study having some findings for us in the summer this year yes sir I we have been at Spring to Su summerish that upate you receive that piece this discussion though not the replacement that building this is the how do we use Municipal Court space and how do we use dispatch like we have to do some updates in that facility to occupy those security standards and things like that on that estimate now that's what happens okay and I'm all for getting the that add-on off there for sure um uh and then the PD vehicle storage facility EOC what what is that in to so as part of the ecoc project the um original plan was to have a storage facility um this is a 3,300 ft basically they have like a 5 Bay RV Barn um that goes up there and it allows for the storage of the um emergency command post that the city uses for all the um Emergency Services departments it also places all of the outo warning system um in that facility um several the Emergency Management tools and things of that nature so that are currently they're all stored sporadically places and conx we're just outside um the price today um we actually bid it so when we did the project we bid it as part as an alternative of the project it's about 875,000 um the construction company has told us you go back today and you rebid it and you go forward you're looking at least a million and a half um so they're still on site now we move fast on that and we can still get under that bid um is what they're telling us if we go back and we're into July we're well over to the 1.5 side know that'll allow us to put those devices into a safe secure place that allow them to be out the assets today that we are able to go in there are over $150,000 we going put more stuff in it than the building costs on day one and it would be a hardened facility like the EOC no it is more of a um vehicle storage like a garage is not going to be fully concreted hail protection though weather protection yeah hail weather wind things like that to keep it in the the RV the the command mobile command post right now is going under $140,000 um upgrade to make it functional when that comes out it will sit in a parking lot and wait for the next Hill storm which we hope won't hit it we've done really well so far in our last two we went right around it way um but that's our big fearure we have no place to really put that thing right now okay and to that point we found about half of the 875 currently for that facility um in an existing project and so we're trying to figure out if we're going to find the other half or if we're just going to budget the other half in a upcoming fiscal year so that may be solved here pretty quick okay thank you and then is there any uh update at all about Griffin property um still no action no activity on the side of the State Department of Mental Health related to all of Griffin I do know they are receiving phone calls from community members all over Norman saying you guys need to move we have needs that real property is part of long-term solutions for several things we've got in the works right now so pressure is mounting and I'm glad to see the community recognizes what we've been trying to accomplish the last three or four years with that real estate they haven't Broken Ground anywhere else yet have they I haven't seen any I've seen nothing about it for months actually so sitting flat yeah okay thanks um we had kind of an unofficial policy from Council to kind of keep our powder dry with a general fund money if if they kind of loosened up to buy the sudden Wilderness in socer land and I wanted to make sure that was M unofficial written policy um last piece on RTA we recognize um there's a lot of investment in the works for Amtrak all the way up into Kansas and it's tied into the next uh budget bill at the federal level as long as they're doing continuing resolutions those dollars w't come into play so we're really all hoping for a budget adoption at the level um and we will see activity that will reduce the cost impacts to our taxpayers uh because a lot of the infrastructure to support Amtrak will be uh also very beneficial to our RTA project so fingers crossed they'll adopt a budget they'll invest in Amtrak and RTA will just be the benefactor and not have to pay for those assets themselves go ahead I just had a follow up with okay sorry Federal funding uh build back better infrastruct whatever is out there federally is there any anything new about Scott are you hearing any of the infrastructure or uh Chris and Nathan hearing anything about it's been real quiet out there on the federal funding side OT additional funding in existing programs and we are chasing all the dollars we can I do know there's a lot of rail specific uh items out there right now saw a couple of new notice of funding opportunities out there today that we're chasing every Federal dollar we can find you would think a trillion dollars would be more visible um not not so far well there had been talk about it going to ACOG and it being divided up or going directly to us or whatever so wasn't sure no decision I heard anything about that either okay thanks um I was curious what the challenges might be around the center city TI I just seem like it was collecting funds and we're just waiting for a design implementation plan to release defination of of the project and that uh the Johnson group has been re-engaged they they are they're under contract they're working on that now uh we're trying to put together our citizen committee so that we can move forward with all the work that they're doing so we can replicate what was done in Oklahoma city that was the model that was requested so that's kind of where we're at right now it's getting the citizen committee together get them started but they are doing some of the preliminary work on that getting some of the background set up and starting to get that project moving so we can get that as quickly as possible um contingent upon that committee is when we can really set a a hard deadline and Mr Francisco ballpark best guess uh dollars in the center city Tiff account give me a second to answer that that would be wonderful it's it's finally starting to materialize I feel like it was just over 2.3 million three 2.3 million have a mic about a threeyear lag time from certificate of occupancy to yeah money in the checkbook should Center City yeah I was like close to three I think yeah we estimate at the end of this year there'd be about 3.7 million there's a lot of uh projects that could get started absolutely and I don't know what the status was of those Alleyway projects that Council talked about if if that was a decision or kind of waiting on waiting on the plan I think yeah yeah so the challenge pretty much is that citizen committee and getting the ball rolling on that or plan okay all right so there's just one uh meeting left in the CIP budget process and that'll be on May 7th uh to review the final proposed plan for next bu year and any possible amendments that's all I have yes sir my only thing is in regards to that $3 million deficit for the current projects for this year can you send us more information just kind of like how we got to it the rules and regulations that require us to carry that just for our knowledge preferably with pictures there's actually a really good picture in your budget book okay um in the financial summaries if you look at Capital fund it'll show you how that deficit is calculated the reserves down at the bottom but we can we can dig into that further okay thank you remember that's the available for new projects number right that's negative right any further questions thank you all very much very very informative I don't know if anybody else was doing kind of a running total on those requests yeah but I was I was up around 60 million on a on a on a they W make it into the budget $17 million budget yeah if you don't put it on a board it will never ever happen so we you got to put it on a board you will prioritize we'll deliver Jeff beos makes that in four hours yes we'd love for him to write us a check we need a billionaire Tim was trying to talk us into mining Bitcoin so we could solve some of these problems I mean kind of yeah it's kind of G upside didn't invests either appreciate you okay got next one is uh ordinance amendment to amend the maximum building coverage and residential Zone C need a break now or you want to take a break maybe before break we are I need to walk there you go let's take 10 15 10 10 Mr Tak pan over there the capital budget's fine in my whatza I [Music] bug Stephen's not allowed to talk the night he used all his words I don't know we tired step let us go home item number four discussion regarding uh an ordinance amendment to a and the maximum building coverage in residential zoning districts Miss Jane Hudson thank you mayor good after good afternoon it's not afternoon anymore been a while good evening so yes so we're going to talk about two items we're going to talk about the building coverage and then also the uh accessory dwelling units which is the second item that's [Music] on there we go okay good deal so the first item we're going to talk about is the Residential Building coverage and this is uh something that's been on many many discussions for a very long time and this is simply uh looking at the overall building coverage that we allow on a residential lot right now is 40% all structures the overall lot coverage is capped at 65% so that's um the sidewalks the paving pools anything um impervious so so the um Board of adjustment if if a a lot or development needs to go over the 40% they would go to board of adjustment and ask for a variance uh since 2012 we have had 22 applications regarding the coverage variances uh 15 have passed four of failed and three uh withdrew their application um you know as you know whenever you submit for application to any of our boards commissions um there is the waiting period because we have to advertise and stuff like that so you know typically they're looking at uh 30 days sometimes more from their application date to when they're uh heard at the board and it can be upwards of $500 uh to the applicant for that process well there's ads that they have to put in the paper and then they also typically they um engage an engineer architect or something to to draw up the plans you know to demonstrate the variance that they're looking for um am I going the wrong way sorry this is a new one um in 199 I thought this was really interesting but in 1996 the building coverage uh that was in the zoning ordinance for the R1 which is the single family and the r1a um was previously capped at 35% uh 9697 they increased the coverage to 40% there was a large study and they looked at uh neighboring cities and everything and they took it up to 40% at that time and even at that time uh there was not the overall coverage they didn't established that until um the ordinance 7836 when they actually capped the overall coverage at 65% and then you know we've all been to the meetings for the uh strong towns there was the direction for City staff to um look at the accessory dwelling units and then when we started looking at the accessory dwelling units in the core area and even the existing lots that are outside of the core area uh you know some of the houses that might be on those lots might be at let's say 35% but they still have enough room to put a small accessory dwelling unit on there but then they would bust the 40% they'd still be under the 65 but they'd be over the 40 so we were looking at ways to you know be able to accommodate the want to put the Adu on there and then you know meet the coverage requirements so this amendment is uh to propos to remove the coverage maximum of 40% in the following districts so it's single family the r1a R2 rm6 R3 and the r and this does not take out the 65% so all the lots for any of the residential development I keep saying residential because commercial has their own requirements but for for any of the residential developments they would still be at 65% and um again if it's a larger patio or if it's a larger Ro roof line it's still going to be at that 65% and and will that be additive if an Adu is put in there will that what will that be will it the the Adu when it comes in there is that going to change that 65% no it'll it still has to stay under right 65% or lower but again like I said the the total coverage of the buildings now might be at 48% or whatever but they'll still meet the 65 thank you oh yes yeah just to drill down on the logic behind why we went with that we really couldn't determine what the difference was between a roof line and Paving and they're one and the same in terms of impervious surface so assigning one value to one and another value to another didn't seem to make a lot of sense you just kind of put it all to the same blanket requirement right like I said we didn't even have the 65 until L is that right all right further discussion support support same okay is any simplification yeah is anybody have a negative no no that was easy all right well so the next one adus so uh the companion item because like I said we were looking at how we could get the 40% and everything so we're looking at the accessory dwelling units now and this change uh will allow the adus in the residential zoning districts in the A1 A2 residential Estates the R1 and the r1a um in the R1 District we were still looking at uh maximum area for the Adu of 650 sare ft this will help tone down they were you know coming in with a very large structure even close to the same size of an existing building or something that but just to to allow really we're looking at a true accessory dwelling unit I kind of went over that but uh well a garage is about 400 square feet isn't that right right and so this a good point we didn't change anything uh this is one of the things we had talked about before but in R2 R3 uh the other districts you're already allowed a garage apartment so this really is looking at getting the accessory dwelling unit into the the single family zoning districts as well as the re and the agricultural as well so the I think you're about to cover it actually so the the general guidelines is the height uh cannot exceed the principal dwelling unit we're still looking at uh two unit Max maximum per uh lot in the R1 District mobile homes are not permitted to be used as Adu in any of the districts and then I know there was mention of it so I wanted to go ahead and go over it again but the connection fees for utilities and such those cannot be waved that's out of a different pot okay so again in summary we're going to be looking at allowing development of an Adu and the R1 r1a re A1 and A2 uh and then like I said I wanted to get before you guys tonight because we do plan to have this on the Planning Commission agenda and I didn't want to do that before I had your input input support support support this was easy need to get some housing stock yeah units not forcing anybody to build it allowing getting the government out of the way this that's right the quickest most straightforward way to get housing that takes advantage of the existing infrastructure and doesn't encroach out in the suburbs at all I mean kind of a Goldie Lots project so thank you so much for your work one clarification which we'll go over but in HOAs that don't allow it it still wouldn't be allowed right right we don't supersede HOA anything right okay who do not well thank you man' [Applause] thanks okay item number six consideration of adjourning into executive session is authorized by Oklahoma statutes to discuss the purchase or appraisal of real estate property located at 1305 Triad Village Drive and 5451 hutner Drive Norman Oklahoma entertain a motion to adjourn out of special session convene into executive session second a motion second show a hands all in favor okay none oppos

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