most of the time they would say oh Doug yeah I went from Rags to Riches I was raised after the Great Depression and my parents taught me the value of work I went out and picked cherries for two cents a pound I delivered newspapers and and earned a nickel for a week on every newspaper customer and so forth man I have worked so hard throughout my life my kids will never have to work as hard as I did those same people would come in 20 30 years later in retire ironment and I'd say how's it life going and many times they would be a little bit downtrodden for laoren and they'd say Doug I don't know what's wrong with our kids and now we're grandkids they don't even know how to work and I would say maybe you stole that from them.