welcome my name is Blake Ying I am uh the mayor's Chief of Staff I'm your MC at least for beginning of this show tonight I want to thank you all for showing up um we're going to talk about zinc lake is that what you're here for oh yeah we have plants in the back to clap and cheer at all the right moments um again thank you for coming I'm to take you through a little welcome with some stuff here click Amit that I'm a simple man quick all right if you have a phone that can scan QR codes go for it you can scan that QR code we've got a thing that we call mometer it's a taxpayer funded piece of software that will allow you to interact with the presentation this evening you're going to be able to respond to things up here to vote things up up or down or ask questions it's a new modern way of democracy uh that will make sure that this is the most productive evening possible you might have been to these things in the past where you have to come up and do a song and dance on a microphone or U 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after the presentation tonight we're going to talk about the following things amenities the construction progress water quality program give you guys a chance to make some comments and then when the formal presentation's over experts are going to be around answer your questions in like one on- ones so you can go talk to staff people who know all of the fun details about what's going on on zinc Lake I will start with the fun stuff the potential amenities I'll help Orient you this is Riverside Drive currently uh there's a the restaurant down that way that was the blue rose uh you might have heard that the folks that do Lone Wolf who's been to Lone Wolf yeah it's great right uh those folks are taking over the restaurant there they're working on it right now and hope to be open late spring early summer so that'll be one of the most exciting new things to come is a brand new restaurant on that site they also have control over the little restaurant known previously as Elwoods or the sidebar uh they plan to do a like a sit down Concept in the big restaurant and a more kind of fast casual walkup situation in the smaller outdoor kind of setting so you'll have two new food and beverage options here at this is Denver so 17th roughly and Riverside um a couple of new changes that improve our Tulsa sales tax money helped pay for I'll kind of detail those out currently there's a parking lot here in front of the restaurant and then down here where there's a playground and you know what I'm talking about you guys has been there what we're doing is connecting those two parking lots to add some parking spaces on this site what you probably know if you're from the area and have been over there when that restaurant is full on a really nice day there's no parking uh it's also those happen to be the same days that the joggers and cyclists want to come out and utilize the trail system so we've had issues in the past I want a 72 Degree day there's nowhere to park over here CU everybody wants to go to that restaurant or everybody wants to use the system the trail system we're trying to make sure that there are some more parking spaces we're also adding an amenity to the mix that we know will bring increased demand uh kaying and that kind of thing will be a recreational opportunity on zinc lake so in addition to cyclists and Walkers and joggers we'll have people that want to come kayak on the lake um this site on the east side we envision as being uh a more casual Lake user uh we're talking about about a kayak uh vending machine so to speak almost like an U like an Uber or like a line bike or that kind of thing where you can scan a deal check out a kayak go play and then put the kayak back into the kayak vending machine casual on Lake activities will happen primarily here uh and that's just cuz it's not the best situation to park here and drag a kayak through the thing though you could if you wanted to I guess uh the more experienced kayak users we anticipate using the west side and we'll get to that in a second there's going to be a parking amenity on the West Bank as well that'll be a little bit better situated for people who drive their kayak over on the roof of their car and unload and and uh load it into the river here are some envisioned uses in these sites uh into the future this is the restaurant site there's a couple of Green Space places for like programmed activities we're talking Art Market or food events food truck events those kind of things we'll be able to do programmed activities in this space we're going to upgrade the bathroom that's there it gets vandalized all the time if you if you're one of the vandals shame on you uh now they're here they're scouting I know I know who you are uh if you've been vandalizing that we ask that you don't vandalize the new one uh we're going to put uh some more vandalism resistant fixtures inside that thing please don't see that as a challenge um but we want that to be a new and improved restroom facility there we're still going to have a a green PlayOn uh and it looks like we're going to upgrade the playground that is there it's a little bit playground from the past uh so we want a more uh accessible playground that that's a part of the future plans these things that you see here this is a re reoriented trail that will come down to the Waterfront a terrorist kind of stepped what will look like uh bleachers kind of that will look at the water but will get you down to the water edge in these places is part of a phase two and I can't see this clearly enough this is not coming by Labor day of this year this is the longer term plan so uh your improve our Tulsa dollar paid for the parking and some other kind of light things some signage and that kind of thing this is something that we envision in the future this will all be Ada accessible there's a kayak launch planned here and in the future we we're talking about some things over here for kayaks as well to come like boat right up to the restaurant next Westbank uh so this is 23rd Street the bridge comes across here this kind of helps you out this is a new parking facility here it's currently kind of Quasi paved we plan to upgrade this parking lot this is not primarily improve our Tulsa money it's some funds that we had from from from a previous funding source uh this will allow there's two restroom facilities here but this will allow about 150 spaces on the West Side expandable parking for events so think October Fest or those kind of things like you probably parked in the Grass at October Fest Once Upon a Time For That kind of event we'll be able to move into the grass and get more cars here but that's not an all the time thing grass parking is not uh the Tulsa standard 360 days of the year if you have questions remember you can ask them on that thing you could probably shout it at me and I'd answer but the rule makers of this thing did not prescribe that I am now going to hand this thing off to Brooke everyone let's say hi Brooke she's quite the upgrade for me again thanks for coming glad to answer your questions later I'm Brook cenis I am the project manager with the City of Tulsa for over the design and then the construction of this project so I'm going to go over what the goals of the project what was voted on what was approved and then what was built and the goals public access to bring people to the water enhanced safety there's a hydraulic roller on the there was on the previous Dam so our goal was to improve the safety of that and improved operations and maintenance if you recall the previous Dam had had three gates and one was almost always broken so these the operations the maintenance of these is much easier than the previous Dam improve sentiment management I'll show some pictures of that and of course Recreation opportunities Public Access so part of the the project goals was to bring people to the water's edge to bring people to the banks there's fishing along the banks U the lake itself will extend about 2 and 1/2 miles to the Northwest and this this shows here the depth the depth grid that starts around 9 to 10 ft at the dam and goes up past the 244 Bridge enhanced safety the previous D had this OG wear which created a a retentive hydraulic situation which would trap victims in that roller so we did the stair step design which you can see here this is the actual constructed Dam the stair step actually allows if someone does get trapped in the dam it them to get out and of course they'll be beat up because it is still moving water so there are buoys and signs don't go across the dam at sediment management we've installed 10t High Gates all across the dam that can lay down completely and they allow the sediment to transport if there's a high flow event so previously there was most of the dam across the river was solid concrete Dam so if you would look down from the pedestrian bridge you to see the sediment that was trapped behind the dam which made it you know a foot deep behind the dam so if we have big flow events now we can lay these Gates down and the sediment will pass on down to jinx and big speed Recreation opportunities so the Z Lake itself increasing the depth and the length of the lake and the white water flu so some of the opportunities that we'll have for recreation in the lake and Flume whitew kaying some rowing events pedal boating of course The Great Raft race River surfing and of course standup paddle boarding and anything else you can Envision on the water that I'm going to turn it over to Mr Lee to talk about water po thank so good evening my name is Eric Lee I'm the director of water sewer for the City of Tulsa I gave this presentation to city council previously so if you're seen it again I'm sorry I'm not meaning to bore you um but the information's the same so we'll just go ahead and get started here so if you look at this slide right here we talk about the The Watershed that the area of concern here or the area that we're talking about is Barry Hill Creek to Cherry Creek so different segments of the Arkansas River are noted by a certain number system which is a water Watershed identification number so that's the one that we're looking at and on the beneficial uses this was previously o Water Resources board but odq if you look now they have the water quality standards in there so if you're looking for those go to Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality and they'll have those standards but when we start talking about these beneficial uses you can see there's multiple beneficial uses um I think the one that we're most focused in on today is uh primary body contact um we do not in case for those of you that just moved to Tulsa we do not get our water from the Arkansas River we get it from spanol it's about 55 miles Northeast of us so we do we do not have emergency water supply from the Arkansas River um the Arkansas River as most of you know is not a natural fle free flowing river um it's discharged from Keystone Dam um so others decide how much water is being discharged we do not have control over that and if you look at the Watershed the Basin it starts up here at Colorado Springs and you can see the area of coverage that we're talking about so there's others that have a responsibility in their states in their cities for their segments all the way as it comes through to Tulsa so we're talking a pretty big Arkansas River basin by the time it gets to us others have discharged as well and so this is incumbent on all of us to do our part um where's Terry ball at Terry ball he's our Public Works director he'll be able to answer questions afterwards but one of the things that Public Works does is thank you one of the things that Public Works does is they manage our Municipal storm water system and so we do our part through that Ms cor program to make sure we're managing that segment not only the segment that I mentioned with the number but other segments as they come through Tulsa when we talk about water quality standards again I mentioned that the Department of Environmental Quality manages those now um previously though we the Arkansas River and the zinc Lake segment have been impaired for cadmium I think that that goes back to 2006 when that was first then a pyrit first came about uh and then we've been historically impaired for bacteria and so you know why are we impaired for bacteria think of all the animals that live in this Arkansas River Basin think of all the people live in this Basin it's not just our segment but throughout probably our state other states there is going to be impairments for bacteria that's what happens when you have warm-blooded people and animals living in a water shed so what is bacteria so here's a few examples of bacteria up on the upper right but there's single cell organisms they you know natural component of lakes River streams most are harmless to humans but some inhabit the intestinal tracts of warm-blooded animals and they can cause sickness and disease and so there are um tests that we can run to find out if there are certain bacteria in the water uh one of the common ones that we run and we test for bacteria in the drinking water distribution system on a regular basis to make sure there's no bacteria so we run this eoli test just on a regular basis to make sure you're drinking water is fine so it's a common test that we use the other common test that's used and defined by the state of Oklahoma is enaki and so both of those tests are are valid tests to see if there's a bacteria in the water and that bacteria then if we look at that and when we run those tests you can tell how much is in there does that contain the possibility of pathogens in there that could be caus disease causing microorganism viruses to humans so we run those tests and we're wanted to do the same for this area so what are our goals for this this project we want to test and collect that data and have it available uh so that people can look at it um it's no good if just the City of Tulsa looks at it alone we don't want to be in a vacuum we want everyone to look at that so we want to share the data we want to make it public publicly accessible and then for a lot of us even for me at times I've got to call on other experts to explain something so we want to make sure that we're educating people on on what the results made so one of our experts um is we collaborated with A&M engineering and A&M engineering and aqua strategies uh presented a plan and a for this water quality monitoring location and they came up with four locations ZL1 zinc Lake one zl2 zl3 and four so we have two locations on the West Bank number two and three and number one and four over on the east bank one of the reasons that we picked those locations was accessibility to grab samples so that we could test them we also wanted to as you can see we've spread them out one is at The Flume two is at the dam three is just North of the 2 Third Street Bridge uh an accessible is at the West Bank yeah and then zl4 is up here at the 11 Street bridge if you look at this map just so you can see and then we have a zl5 that's up here uh as a potential future location that we want to sample from so if you look at this on the on the icons yellow is Storm discharge Outlet so as you see these yellow dots along here you can see where our storm water discharges into the the zinc Lake the Arkansas River um and then we also have a US gsgs United States Geological Service gauge right there the other thing you can see is where you have Creeks entering into the Arkansas River so we've tried to define those so what are the parameters that uh Aqua strategies andm engineering recommended that we test for so these first category these first parameters pH temperature dissolved oxygen turbidity conductivity um all of these right here these are parameters that we're looking at as we start modeling water in the future these these results come back almost instantaneously and so what you want to do is as we start looking at these other categories these parameters we're going to measure these as well but the results don't come back as quickly we have to run a culture on these and so that 24 hours that it takes to run that sample we don't get results immediately so the goal is as we test for these these two items right here for bacteria take those results use this to see what's happening with those results and use that for future modeling but you can see here we're going to test twice a week at each of those ZL locations those will be field samples and they'll be real time these two for the bacteria lab analysis it takes a little bit longer and then the last two we've heard from public comments as we've been out visiting with uh constituents is that um the dissolved cadmium which we're impaired for is let's go ahead and test for that and see if we've improved and then the other one we've heard about is uh the concern about hydri carbons in sink Lake and Arkansas River so there's a total uh petroleum hydrocarbon tests that we can run we're going to run these monthly if we start getting hits we can change the frequency of that but we wanted to look at that and get those results and and share those as well uh so there's realtime data from uh sensors USGS I mentioned that at the guil crease Expressway uh if we see in the future that we need to add an additional one of these or or two we'll look at those but there are options to add uh sample sites that provide realtime data so one of the things that I was looking at when I came on board to talk about this project is in the spau Uchi Watershed which we own 55 miles Northeast of here we I was imagining us doing something like this years ago I've seen that the San Antonio River Authority Orange County and Florida they have these uh dashboards that have these gauges where you can take your information and make it public available so we looked at the water quality parameters and so eoli is an example where we create a range and so Aqua strategies amm engineering they provided us the range and these numbers that you're seeing here where it's green yellow and red those are actually taken directly from the state so the state has their goals of what would be an acceptable range uh for eoli um a range where you start saying okay there's caution here and then a red where you know you really need to pay attention to this um so we want to make that publicly available and and display that so there's two others that I want to talk about uh dissolved oxygen and these are the real numbers right now water is Flowing freely through the Arkansas River we haven't impounded it yet so one of the things that we're going to do is once we impound the water we may see a change in the parameter results and so this is what we're seeing now but that might not be what we see when the water's impounded inaka is an interesting one I want to just briefly share this with you is that we just do ecoli testing in our drinking water system we don't do enaka but it's in the DEQ regulations as a parameter to test for so we're including that um what's interesting though is that when we got got our ms4 permit our Municipal separate store water system permit back it only had the eoli test so we've run these tests because the state has it in their list but we're not necessarily sure if the state's going to continue to use that test so we're we have the information we're going to continue to collect it but I want you to see as we look at the data if we look at eoli and eraky if they're different we want to make sure that we're we're communicating to the public why that difference is happening and so we're going to measure for it and we want to make sure we're meeting with the DEQ Terry ball and I are meeting with the DEQ on Friday to see where they're going with with what bacteria levels or bacteria tests they want us to test for I mentioned cadmium and total petroleum hydrocarbons um we're going to test for those and so you're seeing this for the first time um these are the results so far we start started testing January 30th the last test that we ran was February 22nd so based on the Paran so far eoli is all in the green for all four locations ZL1 through zl4 we also do the the mean to the geometric mean to show the results dissolved oxygen really good turbidity is low it's good but you can see that inaka is higher numbers it's in the red and so one of the things is we're going to continue to Trend this we're going to follow it we're going to see where it goes and we're going to ask ourselves why is ZL one doing well but two three and four aren't and so we want to take this information we're going to make it publicly available obviously but we're going to use this to make informed decisions for for how we operate our system but also give you the information so you can make informed decisions on whether you want to recreate in the water here's PA you can see here everything's in the green we had lower PHS on on February 15th so we're not exactly sure why that happened um but this is the kind of information that's good for us to figure out as we look at February 15th and we go back was there a correlation with February 15th and another parameter did something else happen and so that's one of the things we'll be looking at here here you can also see so far conductivity is good cadmium we're all below detectable limits on cadmium and within the the total petroleum hydrocarbons there are three results that come from that diesel range Organics gasline range Organics and oil range Organics and so we're all in the green on those as well so with that I am going to introduce Craig shaper are you going to give us a a view of this and we'll see if we can do it real time we're going to try all right hi I'm Craig schaer uh I'm with water and through department and Anthony here is going to help me run this as best we can uh so this is uh the lab dashboard that we have put together uh these are pulling values directly from our uh our lab system basically and Anthony if you can start by clicking on some of the different locations uh as this as you click on the different locations as user clicks on them they obviously pan to them as well the uh the metrics change as Eric indicated the gauges uh including the temperature uh I should let you know that USGS we've got flow and gauge height pulled from that USGS station that Eric mentioned uh so this is this is the uh the page that that people would land on and it will land uh again at the pedestrian bridge but user wants to see other locations those are available there and as they move like I said the the the levels change including the geometric me on this page I think we should note that if you click upon eoli uh user could then educate themselves more about what E coli is thank you Anthony and then uh if you're wondering what geometric mean is again you can go and learn more about geometric it's the sumed by the in I believe um as well if you want to see the actual USGS Stream flow uh you can do that have it I think they' had things turn down a little bit the last few days and now they're back up as well as the gauge height and there you go and you can also get the temperature and dissolved oxygen from that USGS station as well if you're interested uh so that's the first page at the top but we're going to move to the middle work quality this is where you would find the pH turbidity and conductance also for these sites again they change as you click on the different locations uh including the temperature uh so the temperature is kind of a repeat I guess and then as ER mentioned at the beginning of the presentation uh if you want to go to the resources and anything U here you can find c can find all kinds of wonderful things including uh department of environmental qualities water standards uh USGS link and I think that's about it so I want to recognize um a group within the city that's been doing just a phenomenal job and that's our GIS Department um we are going to be the first location the state that's going to have this dashboard um I think it's pretty phenomenal and they did that inhouse and so Craig thank you to you and Josh wse and your team for putting this together together I think uh the citizens can be pleased to know that um the work that we're doing is actually meaningful and it's being displayed I forgot to mention the mobile view is you want to do the mobile view well I think it's the next slide it's Bally yes so there's a mobile view as well as a desktop view okay anything that you want to talk about it on these should be the exact same just a little bit different okay here come on oh sure sorry well I believe the intent also is we will wrong we're going to at uh at these sites we're going to have QR codes where a citizen can take a phone scan the QR code and go right to these pages and see this view instead of the the Big T Val nice yeah so we're trying to make it as easy as possible for the uh recreator is to have access to that QR code and then this will pull right up am I covering this okay so water quality communication um one of the things that's important I think this is where Blake was going with this is we want to do the best we can to communicate what's going on I think the the mobile and the desktop view of the dashboard are fantastic but we also want to provide communication pieces that are available so so we'll have those on the website of course we also are looking at signs like this here's the QR code that that Blake was mentioning something similar to this this is I think the City of Springfield here's another one and what we'll do and I think I don't know how many people know about this but here it says you know provide advisory warnings rainfall runoff can carry pet waste and so we'll have some of this usually during High Water Events rain events that usually when you can see what's been in the Watershed is washing Downstream so that's where we're going to use some of this information that we've gathered to create these Trends so that we can then inform you what's happening here's some additional resources and those are as Craig mentioned these are available on the dashboard and then here's our zinc Lake water quality monitoring timeline we've presented to council uh We've begun water quality sampling which you've seen uh public meeting presentation on the water quality plan that's happening right now it's live um water quality dashboard finalized and online you can see that's in March so I think we have all the pieces that we need on the dashboard the um the lady that oversees putting this information on the city's website is out this week so it's probably going to be next week which is March so not to be disingenuous city council we had it here but it's going to extend over about a week um zinc Lake impoundment begins then in March am I taking away from you Brooke okay and then sampling and continued water quality data analysis and so as I mentioned earlier we're testing but we haven't impounded the water yet have we and so we need to impound it test it so you can see what's the difference when it's impounded and when it's not uh and then uh any improvements that we want to make make you can see October November um actually any improvements anytime along the way we are open for those so if you see anything as you look at the um the website or if you look at the the web app if you have any recommendations on how we can improve to the or improve sharing the information please let us know is it back to BL how was that what better way to spend a Tuesday night uh been talking about poop um so now it's time for you if you've got questions to present those here's your way to do it you can go to that minty.com and enter that passcode or do a QR scan and we will be happy to answer those question questions for you uh and they will start popping up I think up here on the screen here's how to do it uh so I'm I'm just the MC right I'm not expeced to know the answer what are you doing about the Sand Springs chemical plant leeching toxic sludge into the River just north of the new attraction I'm the water and SE director for the City of Tulsa and not Sand Springs um but but the truth is if something's happening within our segment of the river it's going to show up in what we're talking about and so one of the the reasons that we hired a consultant and brought them in is to say hey what do we need to be testing for so that we can see some of these things we also have to make sure that we're not that we're staying within our lane and so you have a State Department of Environmental Quality for reason that's their responsibility as manage these things so they are really excited Terry B and I are going to Oklahoma City on Friday to talk more about what we're doing um we want to be kind of the standard for the rest of the state so the goal is and the hope is is that this continues on maybe other cities as well have a similar dashboard so that if this is happening and it's showing up it's showing up in a segment that DEQ is monitoring they're paying close attention to it and they're informing us as well so um I'm not sure which chemical plant we're talking about but if that's happening it's going to show up in what we're testing will the operation of the dam account for the needs of the fish spawning season where's Paul Zachary is there a way that they see all the questions phone yeah you can see all the questions on the phone and you can if you you can change it to show you the most recent questions and that way you can see all them to vote on your I can't so as far as the spawning Seasons um we need to go back to the studies that we did that built up to where we are today with the zinc Dam we did an evaluation we started reconnaissance studies back in 2004 5 7 9 10 and then we ultimately culminated those things with a 404 permit from the US Army Corp of Engineers which also had Conservation Commission we also had the fish and wildlife involved and what we had before with the zinc dam was a 7ft dam that was solid across it totally stopped any fish migration anything going up stream the gates were set at about there were 5ft Gates um so they were 2T up there was no way to open those at all so one of the items one of the one of the uh big items we had is Brook talked about some of the safety issues but with our full height gate dams and what was required as we went through the 44 permanent process was during High flows they said what about lowering these Gates our 10 fot Gates all the way down to the um all the way down to the base of the um Arkansas River and during those higher flows there can be fish migration in fact they talked about it during the SP spawning season and our high flows according to the operation parameters that they gave us was 40,000 CFS or higher up to that point and below their medium and then their low flows there are no requirements on the fish and wildlife that's what came out of our reviews and we actually had our initial permit issued at 14 redone in 17 and redone in 20 so there were three times that we went through because we had had during the election for the vision program and those that funded these there were the same questions about the fish and wildlife and that's what we got answered uh all three times the South Tulsa Dam does have a requirement to pass fish and those kind of things in the upper there's going to be uh in the Sand Springs Dam they're going to get other parameters they are yet to be permitted so as we go through this what they saw is at the zinc then was a huge Improvement by the fact that we had a 7ft barrier everybody talks about the fishing at the old Zing Dam well there was a reason there was a physical barrier there that the fish could not get up straight that's going away with this new zinc Dam there are going to be periods where the dam gates are up but the intent was during the high flows we are going to be able to not only make the water quality in the zinc Dam better than what it was because half the half the old zinc Lake was full of sand and siment and there was no way to get it out of there so with this we're going to be able to do that during the higher flows we're going to be able to as Brooke so we're going to be able to donate some of our sediment to Bixby and Jinx but it's going to be it's better for the whole river and the water quality even in the lake itself so uh with that we're going to do what we can if there's times that are we do have the higher flows and we don't need necessarily need the water we can take those opportunities to lower the gates and we do know that February May is a sensitive time and we would look to that and cooperate as much as we can with that but again those are the the regulations that we were given in our permit if you have uh questions or comments I'm sure you do we ask that you type them into your phone so that they appear magically up here on the board yeah and if you prefer com ra your hand I'll bring you aard y lots of options here prosecutor is an herbicide applied to Green areas of the Gathering Place and runs off into zinc Lake will tests be conducted to understand how much herbicide is introduced into the water I'll answer it you saw what the tests are going to be on that dashboard I don't know anything about any of this but if it isn't one of those things that you saw on that dashboard then a additional protocol would have to be created to test for that I don't know that any of those include herbicides or pesticides but uh I hope that what you've seen tonight is that what our motivation here is to be as clear as possi about what's in the lake and if there are questions or concerns that continue to be raised I know Eric said this I will keep saying it this is this is Phase One of this thing we're asking for your input and your feedback because uh ultimately it is you who we serve here and what you see today was developed in response to the feedback and questions and concerns that were raised we're going to continue to have public engagement so that you can share those concerns with us and we can build our Solutions into uh a robust system I think we we probably will not see the same dashboard with the same thing 10 years from now that we see today we know that this will continue to evolve hey Terry I don't know if you or Jacob Hagen can respond to this as part of the ms4 permit do we do any sampling for herbicides or pesticides not currently okay nothing across the city at all no okay we had in the past but not currently okay the HFS and clear containment cap is a temporary solution to stop hydrocarbon seepage from the refinery from entering the river what will be the permanent solution just to be clear there's super smart people obviously asking these questions uh our reading them out loud does not necessarily mean that we agree with everything that's being presented in the question or that we're considering it fact uh I I'm not qualified to answer whether or not that containment cap is temporary or permanent but uh regardless that cap has been created as in response to requirements from the government to uh separate what happens on the Holly Frontier teing their property from the Z plate so they are complying with regulations by creating that thing and again to Eric's former point about people staying in their Lanes it's not the city of Tulsa's Lane to uh enact regulations on Holly Frontier but the Department of Environmental Quality is working with HF Sinclair on that and we're testing for the tph as a result of the feedback that we've heard from the public so I think we're trying to do our part by staying in our lane by that tph test the point is so our job is to keep you in deq's responsibility is their oversight over dischargers into the Arkansas River Dam releases especially unannounced releases are a major potential Hazard to people wad fishing and in kayaks and small boats what will the process for informing users be like for a dam release so we are installing sirens and flashing beacons so whenever the releases come from Keystone before you know it takes eight hours for the water to get down to our dam so they will have plenty of notice with beacons and Sirens to get out the the question so everyone can hear is where will those beacons and Sirens be located there are multiple along the dam LS I think he had to leave Lars had to leave he knows exactly where they'll be they'll be where you can see them next question on what grounds does the City of Tulsa have have claim to damning the river and defining what enhancement of the Arkansas is uh well we are all subject to a democratic process uh people who you elected by Democratic vote uh ran the process of getting to this place uh you had an opportunity to elect different people throughout the process multiple times and either did or did not but regard regard lless the elected people fairly elected by the citizens of Tulsa are who led the charge on this further you had the opportunity to vote for these improvements on a public ballot and overwhelmingly voted yes as a community and I don't mean a little bit overwhelmingly I mean by like 30 points yes so uh it was the number one Capital Improvement uh line item in the vision vote it was the most highly publicized of all of the line items in the vision vote and the vision vote passed by a landslide so uh the grounds I guess I would say are that you the citizens of Tulsa multiple times over and over again elected the people to office who were leading this charge and then voted to use your tax dollars to pay for it obviously in a community there are lots of different opinions about things you might live across the street or next door from someone who disagrees with you uh but the Democratic process I guess is my answer to this question those are the grounds next that's 100% not disingenuous but we can argue about it after next what is the expected amount of animal waste species and urine in the zinc Lake and storm water runoff from downtown it's it's downtown specifically known for its urine content uh we all do it so uh so we can talk through this one of the things that's great about Tulsa is we're really focused on our storm water plan and if you looked at and we just had an announcement at 44th in Sheridan just yesterday about a grant that we received uh from FEMA to do some mitigation of some flooding in that location Paul Zachary and his team Brook cabinets are really focused in on managing our storm water collection Sy system and that doesn't include just the structures and the quantity of water it also includes the quality of water and I think I'm going to point out Terry ball our Public Works director Roy teters who oversees our storm water maintenance system they do this on a regular basis in fact Jacob Hagen who stand next to Terry they actually go out and do DNA sampling of water to see where it's coming from is it human is it animal and so we do that because what we want to do is make sure that we're in liance with our permit with the Department of Environmental Quality so as far as the loading amount how much I I don't know that I have a number Jacob do we have a number on that but what I can say is when we do get positive results back from this we want to see what's causing it could it be a sanitary sewer overflow could it be a break in a sanitary pip could someone who has a septic system and isn't taking care of it could it be that problem could it be I know we see a lot of the can Canadian geese could it be that I know there's a lot of bacteria in their ways so as we look at this we want to try to figure that out because we want to educate and if we are seeing High numbers in certain locations whether it's downtown or in South Pulsa we want to be able to attribute what those High numbers are to where it's coming from so I actually appreciate this question because we do this research we try to figure out the source of it can there be a spot at it for him and what other amenities are being considered oh this you guys upvoted this one all the way to the top uh I would say I mean I'm not the expert on hammocks but the answer is yes uh I mean as far as I understand the engineering of a hammock it just requires something on one end and something on the other to hook up to uh so as long as we got a couple trees uh within relative proximity to one another hammocks for days of Bring It On um the other amenities that are being considered uh that's a great question and there's been quite a lot of of conversation about this our our kind of immediate work is so much less fun than this though it's about things like parking and uh boat ramps and some of that bathrooms we knew that we had to make sure that the basic things were there when this imunity came online um and we're going to have about a month of like Prime weather utilization of this the the kickoff is Labor Day really by October as you know around here it stops being quite as awesome to be uh out and in the water but uh by the next summer we're hoping a whole lot more of this kind of thing starts to come online um there are vendors on bodies of water like this all over the place that do uh watercraft rentals and things like that we've looked at everything from like kind of battery operated um how you say they look like kind of classic cars uh that go kind of slow but you can like buzz around in the water on them uh we've talked about things like that at the Cyrus Avery Route 66 site somewhere down the line so you could hang out there do the Route 66 thing and then get in one of these little paddle boats or or kind of slow moving uh water boats and go play in the water there's stuff like that to kayak rentals and tubes and things like that there the Trinity River in Austin has things like tube in concerts and tube in movie Nights where people float around on inner tubes and watch Jaws on the water so uh River Parks Authority will uh be the ones responsible for the operation and kind of the funf Fon the programming of zinc Lake and we are confident that that group as they build up their team and start looking into the future will have an endless Fountain of fun ideas for the water including hammocks what plan do you have to address water quality issues that arise from the monitoring results yeah this is a great question so one of the things that we're already doing is we've already had small meetings about the data that we've seen and so we've already asked and had the questions about the in a [ __ ] eye is why are we seeing those those High numbers and I mentioned earlier on that uh February uary 13th date why did we have low ph and so we're starting to bring the Brain Trust together we have Consultants that do this work incs involved is why do why are we seeing those numbers and so I think what we're going to see is not just right now because the water is not impounded as it's impounded what are the trends what are we starting to see and so I think as we have that information we want to share that publicly so our our goal isn't just to display the information we also want to go to City Council will inform them what the information is telling us and so uh we'll continue down this path and use uh Consultants City staff combination of incog and others to make sure that we're reviewing it and then sharing what we believe are the results from that information will there be followup on the least turn habitat so as part of the dam project we did build a new leas turn Island it's just Downstream of the dam um we actually made it bigger than we were required to for the permit and there will be followup to make sure so as it ages it will have sand sediment that's stops there so the leas turns can nest and create new and to note though the lease turns have been removed from the endangered species so they are no longer um requiring Le turn Islands but we did build a very large nice Island what are the plans for reducing further environmental impact through development in mind along the lake um I'll take the first cracket it and then somebody else can uh one of the things that we're talking about is kind of our next fa phase of investment in in zinc Lake are what are the kind of things that we can do to help uh clean the water for lack of a better term uh we know that right here at the Gathering Place they utilize a system uh that they funnel their water through plant life that has the effect of cleaning the water and creating um a better water environment here the Gathering Place pond so I don't know if you've seen how that system works but they pump the water up to the top of a of a stream and as the water moves down through the plants it actually uh creates kind of an ecosystem right here in the Gathering Place that keeps the pond that you see out there um cleaner than it would otherwise be and I think that's kind of our next phase as we look at what does the future of zinc lake look like and how can there be Environmental Solutions um to this we've not gotten to the place yet and and I may be regrettably but I hope that we get there to really talking about zinc Lake as a responsibility that we all share you've seen Turkey Mountain I think it's a great example in recent years kind of evolve into something that's got a whole lot more use a whole lot more kind of community affection for that amenity uh consequently Turkey Mountain while having a whole lot more users is probably better kept than it's ever been the public is taking care of that resource um we believe that the same thing happens here as zinc Lake becomes a thing that people are using and interacting with on the regular it's more eyeballs on this asset um for so long we all lived here with this thing um in our community that people didn't have regular interaction with they didn't know how to interact with it some fishermen and some you whatever uh would go down but it wasn't something that we were all using on the regular I I hope that this additional usage from the community causes the conservation passion to rise we hope that Scout groups and volunteer groups see it as something to take care of to go spend their time cleaning up and making it a safer cleaner environment so um that's what I think comes next is the evaluation of how do we continue to improve this asset and make it a cleaner safer thing for everyone Terry did you want to talk about the new ms4 permit and the requirements that DQ put on us to manage settlement he's dying to talk about that he he is isn't he so Department enir quality issued a new ms4 permit to us and as part of that they really had a focus on making sure we manage settlement so as you're starting to talk about construction there's requirements that are stronger on us to manage that was there more you want to that no basically I mean anything that goes development on the river there going to be reviewed and see what you know what it does what the impact is and I mean even the amentities that were shown there you know if anything it'll make it where it's more wellmaintained and you know to your point hopefully more uh adopted by everybody to want to keep it clean so where can I find a copy of the 404 per any usfws coordination and any other environmental mitigation commitments that the project has the county site do you have it we can put that we'll get that up on the city website that there is a place that has all the documents that go all the way back to the 2004 first reconnaissance study and then also there's going to be a place where we can put all the executed permits and we'll put it up on the website River projects tulsa.com we all hear that River projects tulsa.com is where we've kind of been loading all of the information uh to one kind of clearing house that has frequently asked questions and we're constantly populating that with new content as we move through the process Michelle Mike with the one person manages the website is out this week so next week we'll get them on there is that city of oh there you go city city city of tulsa.org zinc and whatever Brook said and whatever Brooks said is there test data for a broader range of contaminants like voc's s voc's pcbs a long list of metals Etc I'm not the expert on this one you know we so Barney Austin with aqua strategies we've been hired by the city to develop a water quality monor program for zinc Lake and there's a report the water plan uh document that we produced that was presented to the city council few weeks ago couple weeks ago uh is out there available for you to review um but as far as other contaminants those are not those might be of concern for the ecosystem or for drinking water purposes but for what we're looking at on zinc Lake we primar concerned with primary body contact so is it safe to be out on the water in a canoe in a kayak perhaps occasionally falling in the water things like that and for that we're primarily concerned with bacteria and so Eric mentioned eoli and and teroy so those are the things that we're focusing on right now and those are the important things in the water they good indicators of how healthy that water is to be in and the likelihood of getting sick if you fall in the water and accidentally ingest some of that water so what we're looking at is is the primary body contact as as the as the main indicator those other things can can be looked at but that was not our recommendation um right now because we're looking at primary body contact just to reiterate what I said before we kind of started with with first like first blush at this thing the primary concern was health and safety of the people utilizing the lake uh these other things are are all testable and can all be part of future considerations I think like I said before as we continue to have conversations with environmental groups and with fish and wildlife folks and people who are worried about the kind of conservation side of taking care of the lake then I think these things continue to rise to the surface as things that we should consider and and look at down line and Blake if I can add in our review of other websites that are monitoring water quality I haven't come across one that's monitoring for cadum or to petroleum hydrocarbons and so I think that that just goes to show we're kind of going above and beyond not just creating the standard dashboard that other municipalities other utilities and other Weds are producing out there thanks for the recommendation what is the annual maintenance budget of zinc Lake this is a this is a river Parks Authority question million doll a million dollars I actually think that's exactly it right million oh yeah a little over a million bucks um just so you understand the dynamic of that relationship the river Parks Authority is an independent trust the city is and the county are beneficiaries of that trust City and the county have historically funded River Parks Authority to take care of the entirety of the River Park system that includes all of the trails in the park and everything on both sides of the river I don't know Jeff could tell you how many linear miles of that that is but it's a lot it also includes the Turkey Mountain amenity uh so obviously this new asset coming online as part of that overall footprint that is River parks is requiring us to kind of evolve that relationship with your government agencies and um your government entities and the river parks authorities so they are big- time Partners in this and we'll have the daily charge of taking care of of the asset we even got him a new boat how will so the the two tests excuse me the two tests that actually have to go back to the laboratory or eoli and eraki and eoli takes 18 to 22 hours to get the results and I think um inter coye takes 24 to 28 hours to get the result and when that those results come back they're entered into what we have is called a laboratory uh information management system so we enter those in and then through the magic of what Craig showed us earlier it just shows up in the dashboard and so what we're doing is we're ALS doing a QA QC in there just to make sure but really once they enter that information into the laboratory management system we Q see it and it goes to the dashboard so we're trying to get them up there as quickly as possible but as I mentioned earlier those other parameters that we can get real time information on We compare those with those two tests to see if we can find Trends so that when the real time information comes out we can use that to say oh turbidity is up the presence of eoli may be there based on these other parameters that we've seen and so we're trying to use those two tests that are delayed along with the real time test to get real time modeling for you and predictive kind of water quality information out is there a conservation plan for the zinc Lake and broader River upstream and downam this is what I was talking about as as next steps uh you know I think we've talked about this over the last several months about the process of developing these protocols and kind of the prioritization of making sure that we were crossing the steps off the list as we mve down step one was to make sure that we had this dashboard and this testing protocol is in place um but as the next six months six months really uh what's going to be happening is they're going to be out on the water testing how the flows work testing what the impact is even on the shoreline and all that kind of stuff um so we will continue to evolve the overall River operations plan as we move towards our Labor Day opening but doesn't stop then continues well into the future we'll be looking at how do we improve uh how we care for this asset and how we communicate about the all of the ups and downs and ins and outs of the zinc L Community as I mentioned earlier we're just focused on one segment of the Arkansas River with the success of what we think we're going to be able to provide with this we're looking at the other segments and then I want to do the same thing for our Weds in Northeast Oklahoma so I think it's a it is kind of a phase one and then we'll take that information and say how can we use this to apply to the other segments and then also to our water ship how do you plan to protect and keep reparan zones intact do we need to talk about what aarian zone is do you want to cover this one he asked the question this is his question well a lot of the reparan zones are privately own and so what the city has to rely on for that to a large degree is the zoning codes and by passing zoning codes they can regulate what can happen in which Weds and thean zone for those been up with term that's the corridor along a river or stream okay and again a lot of those are privately owned and so the city pretty much has to fall back on um their zoning codes and for that okay River so as part of this project we did go upstream and we protected the outfalls along the bank up to the elevation of the new lake so the areas we were concerned about having erosion around some of those outfalls that Eric was showing earlier we did go up and protect those with rip W up to a higher level what kind of animals live in rip so you're you're talking about the animal habitat not the bank okay well repairi and Zone ref refers to that Corridor right along the stream the banks on both sides that's the repair End Zone it's the vegetation it's the trees it's plant it's the habitat it's everything grads along that water course okay and so again um a lot of that is when you get away from the river it's privately owned and so the city's going to have to rely on their zoning ordinances and codes what can be built how far from the river and also um the storm water permit touches on that as well how close and what kind of protection do you have to have in those reparum zones during construction activities you guys are building parking right there oning Bas River that so we uh several years ago created a what we call the river design overlay uh it created a to to the point about zoning question it created a Zone all along through the City of Tulsa both sides of the Arkansas River and it defined what type of development could occur inside that zone and how it had to occur and it's was the first of its kind in the city this is basically basically us prescribing how people have to build a thing or design a thing inside of that space uh it accounted for things like the percentage of grass uh on a site for tree plantings and for U the way that we shield and Screen parking uh parking lots it even did things like make drive-throughs not allowable so uh it was meant as a um preserving the aesthetic Integrity of the river corridor but also had a at least an eye towards things like runoff and that kind of stuff so uh when we looked at these Parking Solutions that we showed at the very beginning of the night for example uh that had to comply with the river design overlay uh it it prescribes what percentage of that space can be covered in Asphalt it's a reduced percentage inside of that space um we also pushed the parking that's currently there so we're going to demolish the parking that you see at that 17th Street location and push it up closer to Riverside Drive and further away from the the River Bank itself so those are things that we are contemplating and considering as we move into these I think maybe that's the previous question as new development comes in I think it was talking about that how do we mitigate the impact on the river step one was the river design overlay um and and that overlay by the way can be modified as it moves forward uh if new considerations uh are needed but that's what we're doing now we're making sure we don't pave river parks for parking um and that we plant trees and that we keep it green and that we push that stuff as far away from the water as we can what will happen in the event of another severe flooding event are there mechanisms to control flooding potential currently in place if so what are they um you want it so if you recall the the flood of 2019 and within City Tulsa there were no flooded structures we're very proud of that it's been years of progress um with this project with the gates being able to lay down completely the 10 foot high Gates we did have a no rise condition so our base flood elevation does not increase with this project they're automated the gates are if there's a flow that's the 40,000 or above the gates will go down automatically so there will not be an increase in base flood elevation with this project also no one has invented a way to keep floods from happening um so the likelihood with a river running through the city that that thing floods again is pretty high um I think we should we know that that's the case and there's nothing that we're doing here that increases the odds of flooding I can't resist how is what we're doing in increasing the odds of a flood happening what you're doing any structure that you build on the ground increases the ability to have another flood because the water cannot soak into the ground where you've had structure built over it so you're creating more flow storm water runoff by covering the ground okay I think we're talking about severe flooding and there's no amount of buildings that could be built along the river Corridor that would go from not a flood to now flood uh when floods happen it's because lots of water comes from up the stream and the down when we had the flood in 2019 it wasn't because of buildings Barbara you know that's true she what she's saying is correct we understand that runoff has an effect but we're talking about severe flooding that flooded up into the river banks it wasn't because of buildings wasn't because of buildings we talking about flooding okay we're we're talking about severe flooding and it doesn't happen because of parking lots and buildings yes it absolutely agree to disagree AG to we have the behind us okay uh what happens to the area where the amphitheater was on the West Bank the who wants to talk River Park folks want to talk about Amphitheater there's not an Amphitheater there anymore we've decommissioned at this time no specific that is that is a part of the kind of phase two stuff as we talk about programming there's a little kind of Cove there that's created by the old Amphitheater area so it is a site that's at least being contemplated for future recreational some kind of recreational programming of some kind but it is not a part of this uh from now until Labor Day considerations there's no Capital dollars going to that side but to add to that point maybe of that amenity have some stage did yall hear that the Gathering Place East Bank bump out that's the first real part of the Gathering Place that is on the west side of Riverside Drive so you'll it's the part of the Gathering Place where you'll be able to go down and interact with the water uh right just north of the pedestrian bridge will have some of those types of activities programmed into it that will all open with the same kind of big grand opening stuff that happens this summer you'll get to come and interact at the Gathering Place with those new amenities well zinc Lake be safe for bald eagles who are particularly sensitive to heavy metals who wants the bald eagle question which which heavy metals are they particularly sensitive to so 11 metals that Baldi Eagles are sensitive to well okay so we're testing for cadum so that's one just because it's impaired for cadmium I'm sorry it's not one of the 11 11 well she just said there's 11 but but C's not on there Vernon Mayon that's tough one um I'm not aware of anything that they're doing um putting in this structure that's going to increase the heavy metal loading to Zin plake now what's coming Downstream from above from other activities and things I really don't know um on that one but as far as what they're doing I'm not aware of anything that they're doing that will increase heavy metal loading to the stream itself and as a matter of fact the ability to flush sediments out of the zinc Lake right now we know some of these heavy metals do accumulate in sediments um they precipitate out and so under the old Dam where we had feet many feet of sediment in there we might have had the accumulation of more heavy metals than what we anticipate in the future by being able to flush those sediments out okay what they don't to flush most okay well that's a question for somebody else um I'm not sure get out very okay I I do know one of the benefits of having the bladder Gates there so that they can be dropped level with the river bottom and the currents will carry a lot of those s right now or in the past they didn't have that ability at all and so if you were out on zinc Lake it wasn't uncommon you could be clear out in the middle of zinc Lake and only in a foot or two water um you know when you're paddling out there your paddles hit bottom clear out there because of that heavy loading all that s but with the new gates I know they have the ability to drop those flush with the river bed and heavy flows from Keystone when they have heavy releases like that will pick those sediments up and like it's been you know said they're going Downstream we've talked about the next the phases that are being this was phase this was a phase the next phase is the fully the full development of the zinc Lake operating plan and that operational plan we talk about things like where the warning signs go and where the buoys are and how often it gets flushed and all that kind of stuff I understand that everyone wants to go back in the DeLorean and solve all of this stuff several years ago but the reality is this is a ever evolving work in progress and different groups are responsible for different pieces of it uh so I can assure you this there's no way that zinc Lake opens to the public without a fully developed operating plan and that's what the next phase is so you'll see the lake being high and low and uh the gates being open and shut over the next 6 months that's because the development of that plan will be occurring from now all the way through the end of the summer and things like that will be determined through that through that process great question explain how the water rafting access and return works are we talking specifically about The Flume area I assume y uh so The Flume is is the part of this infrastructure that occurs Downstream so to speak of the dam uh the far east side of the dam is the entrance gate to The Flume and The Flume has these several different how many tub BR seven different kind of little Floy bathtubs of fun uh all with different levels of of uh current moving through them for different types of activity to occur so there are some folks who really want to like get after it and go uh do that kind of Hardcore Pro level uh kayak and surf stuff and some folks that maybe families with kids that don't need the heavy flow they want to do a different kind of thing in in that part of the plume um the the return basically it's a quarter of a mile almost of to to FL length you could get to the end in your kayak and then have to drag a kayak all the way back if you want to you can do that um Again part of this operational plan is figuring out the different ways the different watercraft can be transported if you guys really I feel like we're doing this about as respectfully as humanly possible answering every question that we can in a big public meeting and with with really friendly folks uh doing the deal so I would just ask that you respect that process and You' got something to say uh there's going to be a time to ask one-on-one questions after this we've also created lots of ways to get that question asked here within the group and answered so far I don't think we've failed to at least try to answer every single question that's been brought forward and we will continue as we have done for the last several months to be respectful in the face of uh whatever kind of questions and whatever kind of behavior are brought our way so with the FL part of the operational plan will be to figure out exactly how all of that works whether we have programmed events or events for different types of users all of those things are being considered it's a good question we just don't have it fully fleshed out yet what's the permanent depth of the new Lake behind the dam any plans to clean up trash in the river bed before filling up the lake I can answer the cleanup stuff we plan to have cleanup events uh in the river Corridor All Summer Long leading up into the opening and hopefully forever more thereafter like I said before this is an asset that we all have to take responsibility for and Mak sure that we're taking good care of it is something that uh we take seriously and that I believe our whole Community will take seriously as for the permanent dep not an expert but there's no way to define permanent depth of a river uh it's all dependent on the releases from Keystone and frankly how much it rains and snows in Colorado affects the depth of the lake that a good enough answer we have been cleaning it out and we continue even uh just in the last week where there were some big rocks and stuff that we thought might hit a kayak paddle or something we've gotten all that stuff out of there too so trying to make it as predictable and clean of debris as possible what safety measures will be un say we're at the end of our time for this kind of stuff if you had a question that did not get answered we have committed to answer every question um we will email you an answer to your question or you're going to have a chance to have one-on-one conversations with like the experts that are in the room as soon as this little part of this process ends I'm being told that the best way to get your question answered by email would be to fill out a paper comment card put your contact information on it we will get back to every single person with every single question Blake are we going to put these questions and answers on the website that's a great question Eric I believe the answer is yes be good to put some fa up there all theq um that we have currently are on City of.org and then we will put the Q&A from this session on there as well as the meeting will be on that website as well we're doing the best we can to hide all this information from the public what safety measures will be in place to ensure rescue efforts in the the event of accidents on the water such as lifeguards rescue vehicles Etc and are there plans for training Personnel in place that's a great question and the answer is definitely uh we've been in conversations with um first and foremost it's alsoa fire department who has that primary they have a boat they've got primary responsibility for uh emergency response on the water so during this process of getting ready for all of this we've we've gotten to sit down with fire department and talk about what kind of pH tools they need what are the resources that we need to provide to them to be able to provide the best possible uh emergency response in the zinc Lake Area they are very excited at the prospect of getting some new red seos with gold foil emblems on the side so um that's also the bigger answer is that that's also part of our operational plan that we're going to continue to develop over the next several months but you can be assured that there will be a fully FL out emergency response plan not just for the day-to-day of the lake but for the big events so we won't uh you've seen it with the raft race the Coast Guard is out at the raft race so um when we have that kind of activity on the lake we'll make sure that uh we've got an emergency response plan fully fleshed out and developed one last one one last one here we go how do The Kayaks get back to the top after going through the FL that I think we kind of got that one earlier this was my number one question also when I got this job I did not want to be dragging a kayak so far in the summer uh we've got a couple of kind of early ideas about how all of that works it could be that you load a who's floated the Illinois right it could be a miniature version of that you get to the end you put a kayak on a thing you know takes you back up to the front what we're told though is a lot of folks who use The Flume um don't start at the beginning and like slitter Bond all the way to the end I don't know that's what it first blush looks like that's what you're supposed to do there a lot of it is kind of staying in the same this I don't know what they're called The Little Wave bathtub uh people stay in the in one or two of those things they're not just starting and zipping to the end if you want to do that kind of thing then you're you know put it on a golf cart or something and we'll drag you back up to theek all right that's the last one we're going to break up now if you're an expert in the room will you raise your hand okay these people raising their hands if you're a self-proclaimed expert you can raise your hand too uh go ahead and raise your hand you know who some of these Pam Roser is an expert back there can I make a comment real quick I own property at 19 Riverside and I've owned it for 26 years and when some of these people have made comments I will say thank you to the City of Tulsa thank you for what you're doing with this it's fabulous because in 2019 when that big flood came of course I went over there and walked across the river we didn't have a budget implemented when the ground would fall I saved a little boy from going into the river because there was nothing the ice storm years ago like I said I've owned this for 26 years the red threeory uh brick building that's over 100 years old and when the ice storm came we lost so many trees and they just fell in the river we didn't have a budget I talk for the city s they worked with us we doing this forever when I bought the place there was no lights down there there were people that lived down there they and they used the river to wash go to the restroom it was bad so the City of Tulsa for years in 2005 in C did Arkansas River Corridor Vision plan that's and Susan Neil was the city counselor for that area I went to all those meetings we've been looking at the safety of the river and the possible development what can do for Tulsa since then and they Tulsa City of Tulsa has done excellent excellent job and I will say from to me if you're worried about our water quality and our drinking water you need to call the governor and the state legisl because our state legislature which just got approved they are there's a bill in place and it's now the senate seat Senate's decision a bill in place to let uh chicken farms be able to be in saol and Illinois be all around that area and that will hurt our drinking water and that to me is something really serious but you think what these plans are are going to do nothing help and we do need really thank you
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